tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post3146068843782845673..comments2024-03-22T02:17:52.141-07:00Comments on Bad UFOs: Skepticism, UFOs, and The Universe: A Skeptical Look at the 25th Annual International UFO Congress (Part 6 - last)Robert Sheafferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-22500185935604847082016-03-31T00:15:35.137-07:002016-03-31T00:15:35.137-07:00CDA said:
"We also need to prepare, well in ...CDA said:<br /><br />"We also need to prepare, well in advance, for the Roswell 75th anniversary in 2022."<br /><br />From the looks of things, it seems some of these Ufologists may no longer be with the living by 2022. Some of these guys are getting up there. Of course some won't be in business anymore either simply based on the fact that Ufology (as they knew it) is really dying off quickly now and most of what they push is simple nonsense for the sake of making money.<br /><br />Brian Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201018843054563257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-12916373887645512902016-03-23T16:18:05.202-07:002016-03-23T16:18:05.202-07:00I'm very skeptical, of course, but I do suppor...I'm very skeptical, of course, but I do support continuing research in this area--especially with projects like UFOTOG I and II.Transpoewrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12540890121217814370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-28030651286350111172016-03-21T19:24:48.650-07:002016-03-21T19:24:48.650-07:00@Duke of M - Jacques Vallée's A-list status is...@Duke of M - Jacques Vallée's A-list status is very easy to explain! The UFO community have always shown bizarrely hypocritical double standards when it comes to establishment representatives and authority figures. If any such person, no matter how senior and/or knowledgeable, denies the existence of flying saucers, they're automatically lying because they're part of the gigantic worldwide coverup that's been going on since 1947.<br /><br />On the other hand, if anyone who has ever held any such position, however minor, supports the case for flying saucers in any way, however unsubstantiated and/or downright bonkers, they must be telling the truth, because clever, important people like them always know what they're talking about and never tell lies.<br /><br />Jacques Vallée has a doctorate in astrophysics, and he used to be a real NASA scientist who helped to map Mars and invent the internet and everything, so of course they have to put him on a pedestal!<br /><br />But because of who he is more than what he says - how many ufologists today, even at the outermost fringes, actually subscribe to his muddled theories? Even the ones that seem to partially agree with him probably picked up similar but much less scrambled ideas from the far more readable John Keel.<br /><br />Seriously, some of Vallée's writings have honestly made me wonder if he's a borderline schizophrenic! All that flapdoodle about UFOs being a "Control System" from another dimension sounds a lot like the kind of thing Richard Shaver came out with, filtered through a better education and a higher IQ.Count Otto Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13915670684585417091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-50849743151071652222016-03-21T11:55:32.619-07:002016-03-21T11:55:32.619-07:00Not getting to the point (or central theme) has be...Not getting to the point (or central theme) has been Vallée's SOP since "Messengers of Deception" and maybe before. As I think I've said before, I've often wondered why he's been held in such high esteem even among some of the more intelligent ufologists. Anyone any ideas?<br /><br />—Peter BThe Duke of Mendozahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14335501899298333878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-5375123352995049962016-03-21T07:43:44.641-07:002016-03-21T07:43:44.641-07:00I was one of the people waiting to hear Jacques Va...I was one of the people waiting to hear Jacques Vallee speak. His presentation was disappointing, although I hope anyone induced to buy his new book enjoys looking at it.<br /><br />The scientific portion of his talk seemed years out of date and I am not sure he ever really got to the central theme of his published session title. Pitching the book was the priority.<br /><br />The most interesting moment came when Mr. Speigel asked Dr. Vallee to summarize his opinion as to what UFO phenomena mean. After hearing his rambling response, I wonder if you had the same thought as I did - Klass's curse is alive and well. Tyler Kokjohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06032246817063957221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-52951187288423724492016-03-20T15:06:25.913-07:002016-03-20T15:06:25.913-07:00I recently watched the 2003 Penn & Teller Bull...I recently watched the 2003 Penn & Teller Bullshit episode on Alien Abductions. Lamb, Icke, Lear, and many of the conference participants were too easy targets, but compared to the conference in that episode, the IUFOC is something of a bargain. Should I mark my calendar for next year's event?Ericksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489446146745522101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-61352214557931398042016-03-19T11:58:09.253-07:002016-03-19T11:58:09.253-07:00Jason writes, "Jacques Vallee, whose work I h...Jason writes, "Jacques Vallee, whose work I have now read in detail and which I find to fall on a range between utterly incompetent and intentionally fictitious."<br /><br />Much as Samuel Rosenberg characterized the reports contained in "Ancient UFO" books in the Condon Report, 1968. <br /><br />There's also the larger fundamental fallacy of Presentism by which the uniquely modern "UFO" myth is projected onto art and text of the past.<br /><br />Such "Ancient UFO" nonsense has been part of the "UFO" conspiracy myth from the 1960s in books by Brinsley Trench if not before. Certainly Jacques Vallee is well aware of this fact, Aubeck one would think also.<br /><br />How otherwise intelligent people can overlook the fundamental flaw in this "Ancient UFO" nonsense is the only "wonder" on display here.<br /><br />And that "wonder" is only surpassed by the naïve credulity with which they present what--in its proper context--is completely mundane art and text if of seemingly extraordinary events.<br /><br />Some might forgive their thoughtless misanthropy, but given that it’s in service to a dead myth, I don't think I can.zoamchomskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16519698426338891542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-56753767129926698532016-03-18T12:13:11.631-07:002016-03-18T12:13:11.631-07:00If this was the 25th such conference, there ought ...If this was the 25th such conference, there ought to have been some 'Silver Jubilee' celebrations. Were there? <br /><br />We also need to prepare, well in advance, for the Roswell 75th anniversary in 2022. (unless the ETs openly land en masse before then).<br />cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-64754400629741536112016-03-18T12:04:32.966-07:002016-03-18T12:04:32.966-07:00The current link for Vallee's book fund-raisin...The current link for Vallee's book fund-raising effort is here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wonders-in-the-sky-a-breakthrough-in-ufo-research--2#/story<br /><br />Colavito has some quite detailed investigation and refutation of Vallee's claims: http://www.jasoncolavito.com/apps/search?q=%22jacques%20vallee%22<br />Robert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-33333945036045421612016-03-18T09:40:08.223-07:002016-03-18T09:40:08.223-07:00It's already in the Bargain Bin. You can get a...It's already in the Bargain Bin. You can get a used copy of "Wonders in the Sky" for as little as $1.85 on Amazon, although you have to pay $3.99 for shipping, bringing the total cost to almost $6. In fact, I splurged and ordered a copy yesterday.<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1585428205/ref=tmm_pap_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1458318880&sr=1-1<br /> Robert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-70436877383627911182016-03-18T05:43:46.251-07:002016-03-18T05:43:46.251-07:00Here's a merry little poem which by a happy co...Here's a merry little poem which by a happy coincidence I discovered while doing some online research into certain things mentioned in earlier posts. It seems the late Cynthia Hind, in addition to investigating African UFOs, wrote poetry as well. Or at any rate, nearly as well.<br /><br />I thought I'd share this verse with you, since it's not only relevant, but cannot be labeled cruel mockery by a skeptic, since it was penned by a lady who believed, amongst many, many other things, that the MJ-12 papers, the Santilli footage, and Crop Circles were for real, Billy Meier told no lies, and that in 1957 Elizabeth Klarer gave birth to a child fathered by Akon from the planet Meton. By the way, this is one of Cynthia's better poems...<br /><br />THE UFO CONFERENCE<br /><br />There are fat ones and thin ones and some one can't describe,<br />There are tall ones and short ones and some they should hide!<br />There are men in their fifties with ear-rings and curls,<br />And old ladies made up to pass off as girls.<br />There are beauties and toy-boys, a smattering of each,<br />and over-tanned women who make for the beach.<br />But there's one thing for certain; you need never ask why,<br />When a ufoe is sighted, all necks are craned high.<br />(For someone has spotted a plane passing by)<br />and all will shout loudly, "A Ufoe, my goodness,"<br />and retire with a sigh!Count Otto Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13915670684585417091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-43076891386903512432016-03-18T02:35:59.576-07:002016-03-18T02:35:59.576-07:00I'm waiting for the Vallee book to be in the b...I'm waiting for the Vallee book to be in the bargain bin...though if it's more than $5 I'm skipping it! 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