tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post364968024241297190..comments2024-03-22T02:17:52.141-07:00Comments on Bad UFOs: Skepticism, UFOs, and The Universe: A Skeptic at the UFO Congress, 2015 - Part 3 (final)Robert Sheafferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-39574921782573387922015-05-06T02:29:56.788-07:002015-05-06T02:29:56.788-07:00Hey,
Nice article I really enjoyed it. Lots of int...Hey,<br />Nice article I really enjoyed it. Lots of interesting info and comments were great too. I dont think geer is a phony he is the only one for the movement on the frontlines. When you got time come visit me: http://arealiensreal.blogspot.comPeter Lipentinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11956904678903007014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-16893260967995588562015-03-20T14:25:42.845-07:002015-03-20T14:25:42.845-07:00Ignore the obvious realities of the world and appe...Ignore the obvious realities of the world and appeal to ignorance, the unknown, and then to an alternate (grand cosmic) conspiratorial "reality" is the MO of all "UFO" promoters because no rational story can produce the desired fantastical conclusion. ufoolery is so very debunkable because it is composed of utter bunk!<br /><br />"I sometimes wonder whether these...conspiracy-fringe types have so much as one iota of common sense." --cda<br /><br />Call me cynical, I call it realistic, but I say these shameless cosmic conspiracy promoters are in it for the money. As I said about Steven Greer, "If their personal beliefs on these utterly insubstantial subjects weren't secondary to their self promotion and money making from the start then they certainly are now."<br /><br />It's not a lack of good sense that caused these flying-saucer showmen to follow the path of Palmer, Shaver and Arnold; they made a career choice that has, as its fundamental requirement, a lack of scruples--they're shameless liars. <br /><br />Believe me, Chris, what I take to be your rhetorical question was mine for real when first encountering "UFO" nutters online decades ago. I asked seriously: Are they delusional and really believe this obvious nonsense? Is it an intentional act of social resistance, a new-age religion, inverted anti-intellectual resentment or stupid antiscientific contrarianism, an act for negative attention? In the case of book-writing and speaking-tour ufoologists, is it more like dramatic acting for money? "The Flying Saucer Physicist" being simply a character played by SF!<br /> <br />You name Adamski, Jacobs, Dolan, Lazar and Friedman; I'll add Vallee here even if he is less visible. Complete and utter phonies like Bassett, Greer, Dolan, Hoagland and Howe (and half of overnight radio's C2C guests making similar outlandishly irresponsible claims) are still selling the very same "Space Aliens and the Hidden World Grand Cosmic Conspiramyth" baloney today, and making a living off of rationally challenged, scientifically illiterate Believers doing it.<br /><br />That's what ufoolery is really about: Money for telling the biggest and best lies, just don't deviate from the time-tested script of the Shaver mystery, mind control, lost and hidden worlds, secrets ancient and future, or you'll lose your audience.<br /><br />It's all about the money. But you know me, I think Arnold was a fantasy-prone hoaxster and fortune-seeker who saw nothing and made the whole thing up. (g)<br /><br />ufoolery is history; make belief in the antiscientific "UFO" myth history as well.<br />zoamchomskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16519698426338891542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-66536551405404023192015-03-13T10:08:21.965-07:002015-03-13T10:08:21.965-07:00Why is that people like Dolan, Lazar and Friedman ...Why is that people like Dolan, Lazar and Friedman and the exopolitical crowd repeat endlessly the mantra that "the government knows...". Is it purely the US government that "knows" or are other countries involved?<br /><br />As for Ed Snowden's revelations, has ANYTHING to do with UFOs ever emerged from these? If not, why not? (Yes I know the obvious answer, but what, for instance, have Dolan or Lazar to say about this strange omission?)<br /><br />Finally, have the ETs themselves co-operated in this grand conspiracy? Because if they are truly an uncontrollable race and unknown to science, would the US govt even try to cover up something over which they have absolutely no control?<br /><br />Yes I know the above sounds very elementary logic, but I sometimes wonder whether these extreme, or even moderate, conspiracy-fringe types have so much as one iota of common sense. Promulgating the idea that ETs are living amongst us, unknown to us, is the same idea as promoted by Adamski 60 years ago. <br /><br />Re part 1: I recall David Jacobs telling a London Conference in 1994 that he expected the reality of abductions to be admitted and made official in about 5 or 6 years (i.e. by the millenium). <br /><br />cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-73114492717541295062015-03-08T09:47:14.359-07:002015-03-08T09:47:14.359-07:00No, Jason, you misunderstand. Knapp said it in Jul...No, Jason, you misunderstand. Knapp said it in July (eight months ago) <i>and</i> a few weeks ago. Knapp is saying this repeatedly.<br /><br />And it's catching on.<br />http://www.dailygrail.com/blogs/red-pill-junkie/2013/9/The-Expendables-Snowden-LazarTerry the Censorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442516952399215568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-84926052866219878662015-03-08T06:48:41.589-07:002015-03-08T06:48:41.589-07:00I would hate to have to remember some comment I ma...I would hate to have to remember some comment I made a year ago. He probably says a lot of stuff he doesn't have recollection of. Which is why Knapp said "I don't recall". And in the light of day, it probably sounded ill advised to him when it was presented to him in the present day. I think everybody's been presented with something they didn't think they said, but they actually did say. Then when you look at it again, you don't know why you said it. Not the end of the world. Jason H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13628555144093775817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-88111663833617319892015-03-01T23:35:35.613-08:002015-03-01T23:35:35.613-08:00> He was the first to interview Bob Lazar, who...> He was the first to interview Bob Lazar, who he compares to Edward Snowden<br /><br />Knapp was challenged about this on Twitter. He tried to deny it: "I don't recall anyone saying Lazar is Snowden. Do you?"<br /><br />But I found a 2014 MUFON post where Knapp made the exact same comparison.<br /><br />https://twitter.com/TerrytheCensor/status/571383707379978240<br /><br />Knapp then admitted the comparison, but tried to minimise it: "Yes, I made a comparison, but in a very specific context."<br /><br />https://twitter.com/g_knapp/status/571403872310206464<br /><br />Silly man.Terry the Censorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442516952399215568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-58561672495736297712015-03-01T23:10:19.930-08:002015-03-01T23:10:19.930-08:00@Adam Dew
> I've never called them the Rosw...@Adam Dew<br />> I've never called them the Roswell Slides.<br /><br />You sought out Roswell investigators. You have to own that, not repeatedly pawn it off onto others.<br /><br />> Is there a surviving Roswell first-hand witness who claims the slides match what he saw? Yes there is.<br /><br />Can he demonstrate he saw an alien body? If not, he is a witness to nothing, and thereby cannot verify the figure in the slides.<br /><br />> Maybe they should be called the Tyson-Hansen slides?<br /><br />Or the Alien Autopsy 2.0 slides? Lots and lots of similarities, as I pointed out on Rich Reynold's blog. I'm not saying the slides are fake, but your scavenger hunt has a nearly identical checklist so far.<br /><br />http://ufocon.blogspot.ca/2015/02/the-many-slides-stories.html#c1481661794638748679<br /><br />> Part of what has been interesting in all of this is how so many people want to hijack the narrative<br /><br />Like Anthony Braglia, tireless propagandist for your team? He who declared on Kevin Randle's blog, "THE ONLY CONCLUSION" is that the figure in the slides "is not a creature that finds its origin on Earth" and "it is not a jump or stretch to then conclude that these slides indeed show the corpse of one of the creatures found fallen at Roswell."<br /><br />Do you agree with Braglia's statement, Adam? Or have you not been monitoring that "impatient stranger"?<br /><br />http://kevinrandle.blogspot.ca/2015/02/roswell-slides-update.htmlTerry the Censorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442516952399215568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-42498965497447098542015-02-28T15:53:21.242-08:002015-02-28T15:53:21.242-08:00Mark, those prices you quote are in Mexican pesos....Mark, those prices you quote are in Mexican pesos. At the current exchange rate of about 15 pesos to the dollar, tickets run from approximately $24 to $104, in U.S. dollars.Robert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-8208151720338273292015-02-28T12:10:36.435-08:002015-02-28T12:10:36.435-08:00The challenge was accepted and now everybody knows...The challenge was accepted and now everybody knows who he is. <br />http://redstarfilms.blogspot.fr/2015/02/the-roswell-slides-witness.htmlTim Printyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115389684481839803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-45439261252557412122015-02-27T17:01:51.865-08:002015-02-27T17:01:51.865-08:00Has anyone else gotten a Twitter promo for the May...Has anyone else gotten a Twitter promo for the May 5 event from Jamie Maussan? The wild claims are beyond ridiculous, the price of a ticket is unbelievable, and there is going to be one hell of a blowback on May 6... <br /><br />I've written it up at http://www.highstrangenessufo.comMark UFO'Connellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18253011827146485092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-48017852917071638842015-02-27T12:37:32.154-08:002015-02-27T12:37:32.154-08:00At this point I agreed not to use his real name. ...At this point I agreed not to use his real name. However with a little research, I'm sure you could track him down.SlideBox Mediahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16309149879327310262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-60878457656321976882015-02-27T09:46:16.095-08:002015-02-27T09:46:16.095-08:00Robert –
Your synopsis of Richard Dolan’s present...Robert –<br /><br />Your synopsis of Richard Dolan’s presentation made me smile because I felt I had seen something similar. Finding it impossible to tie together all the many threads he presented, I ended up with a long list of stuff and a strong sense of being led far afield from any answers addressing UFO phenomena. <br /><br />Mr. Dolan proffered pure UFO populism. Starting with a request for uncritical trust he artfully coupled a wholesale suspension of disbelief with an intensely focused skepticism and suspicion of authority. Predicated on a firm belief that they are here and actively undertaking covert actions against the common good of the people, in the end it was unclear whether the evil they he invokes are aliens, human or an amalgamated cabal. The expedient undefined evil elite provided a tent big enough to accommodate all manner of threatening geopolitical intrigues and he truly spun around the whole world in 75 minutes. <br /><br />It was a fascinating performance. The audience responded with a standing ovation. <br />Tyler Kokjohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06032246817063957221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-41361692259179914502015-02-27T06:13:28.972-08:002015-02-27T06:13:28.972-08:00Okay. And his name is?Okay. And his name is?Scott Hamiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01239391361895323698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-67493079508437887412015-02-27T06:09:54.510-08:002015-02-27T06:09:54.510-08:00There are a few ufo guys who know who he is.There are a few ufo guys who know who he is.SlideBox Mediahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16309149879327310262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-21409161569462383062015-02-27T00:29:50.497-08:002015-02-27T00:29:50.497-08:00Jeremy, thank you for your comments. It would have...Jeremy, thank you for your comments. It would have been good for us to talk, maybe at some future conference we can do that.<br /><br />I confess I was confused by the gist of your talk, "The Invisible College." Descriptions like "Corbell will seek to weaponize your curiosity" didn't help me! I think most of it had to do with your experiences of filming people who make very strange claims. Jacques Vallee wrote about "The Invisible College," but what he meant was a group of academics and other researchers who are quietly studying UFO reports in secret. What you mean is obviously something different.<br /><br />I thought your film The Seventeenth Patient was well-made. However, you seemed to accept all the claims made by Roger Leir without reservation. I also didn't notice skepticism in yout talk as you told about other people making weird claims. I think you'd realize by now that at least 90% of claims made in UFOlogy are total nonsense, and the other 10% you can argue about. For example, as has been noted many times, Bob Lazar has made so many claims that do not check out, I don't see how you can accept his story (that's what I mean by "pro-Lazar") unless you can find a very good explanation for that (and nobody has). It's very difficult to avoid the conclusion that Lazar is a liar. I think you need to weigh the pro and the con sides better for a more balanced analysis of extraordinary claims.Robert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-3598857825374719352015-02-26T19:13:07.310-08:002015-02-26T19:13:07.310-08:00For all his mistakes over the years, the one thing...For all his mistakes over the years, the one thing that Stan has indisputably gotten right is the Lazar scam. Full of baloney? Not on Lazar the proven liar. Anyone who believes his story, based as it is on the hooey of "they erased all of my records" is, simply put, nuts.Paul Kimballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08804735930733797952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-34018265596751933912015-02-26T10:56:27.159-08:002015-02-26T10:56:27.159-08:00Thanks for the link, Robert.
Was the info that one...Thanks for the link, Robert.<br />Was the info that one of the slides was taken with flash and one wasn't previously known. I can't remember.Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17280922104955532058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-23006933107171110512015-02-26T10:45:44.681-08:002015-02-26T10:45:44.681-08:00Jeremy;
The burden of proof rests on he who makes...Jeremy;<br /><br />The burden of proof rests on he who makes the claims. Lazar has not provided one scrap of veracious evidence for his wildly fantastic claims about himself or his version of the cosmic conspiramyth.<br /><br />>> Got a Masters degree in Physics from MIT <br /><br />>> Was hired to work as a scientist at Area 51<br /> <br />>> Browsed inside UFOs powered by Element 115 parked in a hangar, tried to sit in seats but found them too small<br /> <br />>> Saw secret reports documenting grey aliens involvement with mankind for over 10,000 years <br /><br />>> Says aliens are from Zeta Reticuli <<<br /><br />What the records show is that Lazar is a junior-college dropout and a self-employed photo processor with a criminal record. <br /><br />So what can any adult with good sense conclude about Bob Lazar and his wildly fantastic claims?zoamchomskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16519698426338891542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-78904528934997551802015-02-26T10:43:24.652-08:002015-02-26T10:43:24.652-08:00Ha! Admittedly it's difficult to grasp when y...Ha! Admittedly it's difficult to grasp when you are looking in from the outside. I guess that's why a film simply needs to be made on the subject. Thanks for your comment Lance. I look forward to putting a spotlight on this case soon.<br /><br />Jeremy<br />--<br />Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell<br />www.ExtraordinaryBeliefs.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13175283368464275225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-22513998484230111952015-02-26T10:42:21.473-08:002015-02-26T10:42:21.473-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13175283368464275225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-54407422022704863352015-02-26T09:48:12.292-08:002015-02-26T09:48:12.292-08:00they = that. Need to look before I "Publish&...they = that. Need to look before I "Publish". Tim Printyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115389684481839803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-52543299733164103672015-02-26T09:47:07.590-08:002015-02-26T09:47:07.590-08:00The Patterson-Gimlin film has not changed science&...The Patterson-Gimlin film has not changed science's opinion of Bigfoot. I am not sure what these slides will show but they are not enough to convince people outside the UFO community. <br />You can always have the "believers" on your side but if you really were interested in finding out what the slides really show, you never would have gone to people like Schmitt, Carey, and Maussan. Going to them indicate you believed it was an alien from the get go and associated it with Roswell. So forgive us skeptics when we doubt that you don't like calling them the "Roswell slides" and they you are trying to be neutral here. Tim Printyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115389684481839803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-75309205736545169132015-02-26T09:44:08.503-08:002015-02-26T09:44:08.503-08:00Did anyone notice that the article in which Maussa...Did anyone notice that the article in which Maussan is interviewed by the Italian journalist Maurizio Baiata contains blurred renditions of BOTH of the "Roswell slides"? Previous to this, I've only seen one.<br /><br />Also I must say I am impressed by Google Translate on this one. It has produced pretty good English, and knowing some Italian it looks to me like the translation is quite accurate.<br /><br />http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.altrogiornale.org%2Falieni-roswell-maussan-intervista-maurizio-baiata%2F&prev=searchRobert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-7501391229442149752015-02-26T09:33:50.196-08:002015-02-26T09:33:50.196-08:00"Richard Dolan’s Tinfoil Hat"
"He ...<b>"Richard Dolan’s Tinfoil Hat"</b><br /><br />"He is at heart, a conspiracy theorist who believes conspiracy is at the heart of nearly everything important that has happened in the 20th and 21st centuries. Whether it is CIA mind control that caused the Jonestown massacre, the staged 9/11 attacks, or the assassination of John F. Kennedy as a result of Kennedy wanting to spill the beans on UFOs (not to mention Marilyn Monroe and Dorothy Kilgallen), it remains the work of vast unseen power elites in perfect coordination who secretly rule the world and have in mind one world government and a New World Order, all at the expense of humanity. UFOs and aliens may have been the catalyst that started all this, but they are incidental to the story of conspiracy itself. Reptilians from another parallel dimension would work just as well. Dolan doesn’t seem to care one way or another.<br /><br />"...A one trick pony with a tin foil hat, espousing a theory we have all memorized, but which is getting a little old and doesn’t do a single thing—not one single thing—to explain the UFO phenomena itself."<br /><br />-- Michael R. Schuyler January, <b>2010</b><br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/mwr3lxdzoamchomskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16519698426338891542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-35918725675414749242015-02-26T09:11:58.942-08:002015-02-26T09:11:58.942-08:00"I think this is all a con" --PK
Every ..."I think this is all a con" --PK<br /><br />Every bit of this ridiculous hoax from the get-go.<br /><br />No results found for "roswell slides hoax".<br /><br />There will be now!zoamchomskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16519698426338891542noreply@blogger.com