tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post6902636819544858440..comments2024-03-22T02:17:52.141-07:00Comments on Bad UFOs: Skepticism, UFOs, and The Universe: Jimmy Carter's UFO Sighting - Was it Venus, or a Space Cloud?Robert Sheafferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-67246188171494613482019-09-02T05:10:59.412-07:002019-09-02T05:10:59.412-07:00A newer copy of the Justus letter with an introduc...A newer copy of the Justus letter with an introduction by one of Carter's grandkids:<br /><br />https://www.sgutranscripts.org/wiki/SGU_Episode_561?fbclid=IwAR12gvHuRujlm0lqGH9dzIpIfaqQlGIVpUoWfn6XyY7oH-LoP1byuoaQdO0#Question_.231:_Carter_UFO_Follow_Up_.2857:23.29<br /><br /><br />jim oberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12436887304980795874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-68639192905175432017-05-10T19:11:40.861-07:002017-05-10T19:11:40.861-07:00Doesn't Barium burn a brilliant green where do...Doesn't Barium burn a brilliant green where does red and blue come into it? Just curious Les.Leshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11047114537623788415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-56610522554177871022017-01-27T16:48:22.389-08:002017-01-27T16:48:22.389-08:00Well, if you check on-line report datsbases for th...Well, if you check on-line report datsbases for that date, several people in the same viewing area filed reports during that hour. <br /><br />http://thecid.com/ufo/chrono/chrono/1969.htm<br /><br />6 January 1969 18:30 - Auburndale, Florida, USA - One object was observed by three witnesses. 153 Keel, John A. <br />UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse; 208 Huyghe, Patrick <br />Special Report on 1968 Cases; 305 Eberhart, George M. <br />A Geo-Bibliography of Anomalies<br />Greenwood Press, Westport, 1980<br />6 January 1969 18:30 - Spartanburg Sw, South Carolina, USA - Nocturnal lights were observed by a male witness (Beliste). 305; 676 Hatch, Larry *U* computer database Author, Redwood City, 2002<br />6 January 1969 19:00 - Greenwood, South Carolina, USA - More than two objects were observed by a male witness. 153; 208; 305<br />jim oberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14004535789129589007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-32928138395755824932017-01-26T15:57:00.326-08:002017-01-26T15:57:00.326-08:00My thoughts too. How anyone could report a UFO an...My thoughts too. How anyone could report a UFO and NOT report Venus right beside it, is puzzling.Zoomer Galhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15807237688647442039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-75411092159626173722017-01-25T21:42:50.067-08:002017-01-25T21:42:50.067-08:00Is this entire blog an argument against the existe...Is this entire blog an argument against the existence of UFOs or to argue against specific UFO cases?13https://www.blogger.com/profile/00513514932250952679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-73336835987161050342017-01-20T17:27:10.007-08:002017-01-20T17:27:10.007-08:00If the UFO was something other than Venus, it'...If the UFO was something other than Venus, it's interesting that Carter didn't report that the UFO was near a very bright "star" (i.e., Venus). Could this pose a problem for the space-cloud hypothesis?Scott Snellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14072346042819650647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-70208752600289288642017-01-17T22:16:53.500-08:002017-01-17T22:16:53.500-08:00Count Otto graces us with another of his erudite c...Count Otto graces us with another of his erudite complaints. <br /><br />Actually that's exactly how the text appears on the Skeptics Guide to the Universe web page. I saw a few other letters on that site, and I didn't see any paragraph breaks on any of them. So I think you need to blame the SGU webmaster, and not the letter's author.<br /><br />Now, don't you feel sorry about shaming an innocent man like that?Robert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-81958199106687663082017-01-17T21:48:22.852-08:002017-01-17T21:48:22.852-08:00Since Jim posted this, I have added the link to th...Since Jim posted this, I have added the link to the SGU page about this in the text above.Robert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-29535806990541754332017-01-17T21:43:11.400-08:002017-01-17T21:43:11.400-08:00You do know, don't you, that posting massive w...You do know, don't you, that posting massive walls of text with no paragraph breaks is basically equivalent to saying: "Hello, internet, don't read this because I'm a loony"?<br /><br />You might perhaps argue that the presumably borderline autistic author of the text you copypasted didn't use paragraph breaks either. In which case you've just made two people look like loonies for the price of one. No wonder ex-president Carter didn't answer.Count Otto Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13915670684585417091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-38552904856271147812017-01-17T17:49:47.232-08:002017-01-17T17:49:47.232-08:00Here is a letter sent to Carter last year, which h...Here is a letter sent to Carter last year, which has been shared around....<br /><br /> I'm sorry to have missed your recent presentation to the Alpharetta Historical Society. Friends of mine who attended said it was quite good. I am a native Atlantan, former Professor at GA Tech, longtime admirer of President Carter, and longtime contributor to The Carter Center. After recently reading the book 'Georgia Myths & Legends', by Augusta Chronicle columnist Don Rhodes, specifically Chapter 5 'Jimmy Carter and the UFO', I am virtually certain that I have identified the source of what it was that President Carter saw. In the 1960s and early 70s I worked on an Air Force sponsored project that studied the upper atmosphere using releases of glowing chemical clouds, produced by rockets launched from Eglin AFB rocket range in Florida. Some of these chemical clouds, notably sodium and barium, were visible by the process of resonance scattering of sunlight. Clouds of this type had to be launched not long after sunset or not long before sunrise. This was due to the fact that the cloud had to be in sunlight at high altitude, while it was still dark enough at ground level for the cloud to be visible against the dark sky. In Carter's official 1973 UFO report, as given in the Rhodes book, he stated that he had seen the phenomenon in October, 1969, at 7:15 pm EST. However, it has been determined from Lions Club records that Carter must have seen the 'UFO' when he spoke to their Leary, GA Chapter on January 6, 1969. The report 'U.S. Space Science Program Report to COSPAR, 1970' (QB504.U54, Appendix I, page 154), documents that there was a barium cloud launched from Eglin AFB (Rocket Number AG7.626) and released on January 6, 1969 at 7:35 pm EST (January 7, 1969, 0035 UTC) [COSPAR stands for Committee on Space Research]. The reported altitude for this cloud was 152 km. With a distance between Leary, GA and Eglin AFB, FL of about 234 km, this cloud would have appeared in the sky at an elevation of 33 degrees (consistent with Carter's estimate of a 30 degree elevation). Carter's report notes that stars were visible, so the night must have been clear. I can verify from personal experience that under clear skies, a barium cloud such as this would easily have been visible from the distance of Leary, GA. Carter reported the UFO 'appeared from West'. The direction of Eglin AFB from Leary, GA is approximately WSW. Thus this barium cloud at Eglin is consistent with Carter's reported 'UFO' as to time, elevation, AND direction. Furthermore, the appearance reported by Carter is totally consistent with a high altitude barium cloud. His report stated that it was 'bluish at first, then reddish, luminous not solid'. A neutral barium cloud would initially glow bluish or greenish, with parts of it taking on a reddish glow as some the barium becomes ionized in the high altitude sunlight. The size and brightness, reported as being about that of the moon, would also be consistent with a barium cloud at Eglin, as viewed from Leary, GA Carter has been reported as saying that he never believed that he had seen an alien spacecraft, but that he had no idea exactly what it was. I'm interested in exploring if this information could be relayed to President Carter, so that if he wishes to, he can better understand what it was that he saw back then. Do you have any suggestions? In the past few weeks, I have used several avenues for sending this information to the Carter Center Library and have yet to receive a reply. A Facebook Messenger inquiry to the Carter Library FB page provided me with the email address of Tony Clark, Public Affairs Director of the Carter Library. I emailed him the above information, but have yet to receive a reply. Thanks, Carl G. 'Jere' Justus jim oberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14004535789129589007noreply@blogger.com