tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post7426199830872380884..comments2024-03-18T09:56:00.685-07:00Comments on Bad UFOs: Skepticism, UFOs, and The Universe: Leslie Kean's new Infrared UFO Video from Chile - Solved?Robert Sheafferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-14289140902393351132017-01-27T02:47:49.806-08:002017-01-27T02:47:49.806-08:00The most important thing that Keane has ever done ...The most important thing that Keane has ever done is help me illustrate why everyone should know about the Gell-Mann amnesia effect. <br /><br />Next time you go to the Huffington Post to find out what's true in the world, remember... they greenlit Keane's stories and continue to do so. Brendanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13686386178693703030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-91028517350252316002017-01-24T16:06:19.402-08:002017-01-24T16:06:19.402-08:00It is amusing that she thinks CEFAA is investigati...It is amusing that she thinks CEFAA is investigating UAPs. Personally, I believe that CEFAA will eventually get axed because it is a waste of money. If they can't identify bugs or airplanes, what makes them such experts in analyzing UAPs?Tim Printyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115389684481839803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-12164367012592298792017-01-17T22:30:31.457-08:002017-01-17T22:30:31.457-08:00Kean doesn't quite concede that it was an airl...Kean doesn't quite concede that it was an airliner. She wrote, "Actually, I believe that the resolution of this video is of secondary importance. What’s more significant is the fact that, in Chile, a government agency investigates reports of UAP."<br /><br />So she is leaving this video in the same Limbo as the earlier Fly UFO video of the CEFAA - 'It's impossible to ever say for sure what it was, and I'm not even going to try to figure it out any more.'<br /><br />Because she realizes that her critics are correct, but ashe does not want to admit it.<br /><br />I wonder how Kean will react the next time that the CEFAA contacts her saying "We got this great new UFO video!" If she's wise, she'll tell them to "Get lost!"<br /><br />But I suspect she will follow the example of Charlie Brown with Lucy and the football.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-chilean-navy-ufo-video-is-it-a-plane_us_587e7277e4b06a0baf6490efRobert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-64240862755718828802017-01-17T22:04:37.423-08:002017-01-17T22:04:37.423-08:00Kean now concedes it was an airliner. See her new ...Kean now concedes it was an airliner. See her new HuffPo piece. Good for her. We've all had to do that in this field. jim oberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14004535789129589007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-6662578716019883722017-01-13T09:30:14.536-08:002017-01-13T09:30:14.536-08:00My view of "experts" on a topic was give...My view of "experts" on a topic was given a severe jolt some 25 years ago when a famous conundrum was going the rounds, promoted by a super-high IQ woman called Marilyn vos Savant. It was known as "The Monty Hall Problem". It got its name from a TV show of the 60s.<br /><br />It concerned the probability of choosing one prize-containing box out of 3 (the other two contained junk).<br /><br />Anyway, the point is that this conundrum was shown to many experts, including a number of skilled mathematics & science academics, professors and the like. They still got the wrong answer. Some later admitted it but others did not.<br /><br />It was a rare and rather obscure branch of probability theory that defeated them (or most of them). These "experts" were indeed fooled. Yet they were still experts in their own fields. But NOT in this particular kind of puzzle. <br /><br />You have to be very wary of so-called 'experts' on a rare subject matter. They may not be as expert as you think. <br /><br />For those interested, the Monty Hall Problem and its history can be fould on google. <br />cdahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01005702597775594084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-43688676925843509232017-01-13T06:59:47.712-08:002017-01-13T06:59:47.712-08:00Kean is saying on her Facebook page that the case ...Kean is saying on her Facebook page that the case is NOT solved and that she will have more information...."soon". Apparently, she has to contact CEFAA in order to get her marching orders on how to address this problem. She did the same thing with the bug videos. One would think that an "investigative journalist" (which she proclaims to be), would take the time to read the arguments and see if there is a case. Instead, she is blindly rejecting the solution because she believes that CEFAA would not have missed it after two years. Like so many UFO proponents, she isn't smart enough to say, "well, I guess I was wrong and there might be a solution". That would be acceptable.Tim Printyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115389684481839803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-34496862628585767582017-01-11T10:32:19.916-08:002017-01-11T10:32:19.916-08:00Q: Why should we trust your theory over the expert...Q: Why should we trust your theory over the experts? <br />A: I could argue I'm an expert too (at identifying planes and contrails), or that the CEFAA is really a UFOology group, or that even experts make mistakes. However let's drop that "Argument for authority", and look at facts you can verify yourself. <br /><br />We have some very solid verifiable evidence in <br />1, The helicopter video with timestamps and GPS coordinates. <br />2. The IB6830 and LA330 ADS-B tracks with timestamps and GPS coordinates. <br /><br />1 matches 2 in every way <br /><br />IB6830 is in the right place at the right place <br />IB6830 is going in the right direction <br />IB6830 banks when the "UFO" banks, <br />IB6830 would create a visual thermal signature the same size as in the video. <br />IB6830 engine configuration matches the flares seen in the banking <br />The size of IB6830's thermal signature shrinks proportional to its distance, matching the video. <br /><br />This is not my theory. These are verifiable facts that I (and others) simply discovered. Unless there was a UFO flying between the plane and the helicopter, mimicking the motion, the banking, the size and and the thermal signature of the plane, then it's a plane.jim oberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14004535789129589007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-35968869761542625112017-01-10T10:28:56.272-08:002017-01-10T10:28:56.272-08:00Noory endorses 'airplanes'. When you'v...Noory endorses 'airplanes'. When you've lost Coast-to-Coast radio, you've lost UFOria. <br /><br />http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/chilean-ufo-mystery-unravelsjim oberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14004535789129589007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-61061277144585400182017-01-09T11:38:04.783-08:002017-01-09T11:38:04.783-08:00I remember working at the Stanley Works lab back i...I remember working at the Stanley Works lab back in the early '80's when I assisted on making a copy of one of Meier's books for one of the big shots in the company. The whole thing was hush-hush and we were not allowed to mention it as THEY would be watching for anything suspicious. My thought then, as it is now, is that a big shot executive making a six figure income annual income shouldn't be so cheap and should have just bought his own copy of what was obviously a BS book.busterggihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02146221182670363053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-55991457365766061612017-01-08T18:27:17.100-08:002017-01-08T18:27:17.100-08:00I probably should not have approved this posting, ...I probably should not have approved this posting, as it has nothing whatever to do with the subject at hand (the CEFAA and its UFO follies). Michael Horn is a tricky guy, and he has a habit of listing skeptics as believing in Meier's fakey photos, simply because they don't take the time to reply to his balderdash.<br />I've known Ray Hyman for almost 40 years now, last saw him at the final Amazing Meeting in 2015. No way is he gullible enough to fall for Billy Meier's shit.Robert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-89412026223713060652017-01-08T18:12:22.604-08:002017-01-08T18:12:22.604-08:00Jim has been sparring with Leslie Kean ever since ...Jim has been sparring with Leslie Kean ever since her UFO book was first published!<br /><br />http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38852385/ns/technology_and_science-space/t/ufo-book-based-questionable-foundation/#.WHLxLFyc57k<br />Robert Sheafferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324537021429419111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-66527051445748120402017-01-08T15:07:59.213-08:002017-01-08T15:07:59.213-08:00Hello,
On a very side note, I shared Jim'comm...Hello,<br /><br />On a very side note, I shared Jim'comment in UFO-pragmatism FB group thread devoted on the case, yesterday or before (dont remember the exact time of my comment because I read Jim dunno where).<br /><br />It gives lights imho how they are "experts", or of space re-entries and regarding this case (I believe to be solved).<br /><br />Well, that's ufology, after all...<br /><br />Gilles.Gilles Fernandezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17128214022795566635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-69256700593628201412017-01-08T14:45:43.715-08:002017-01-08T14:45:43.715-08:00Skeptic Ray Hyman Sees Billy Meier UFO Photos
htt...Skeptic Ray Hyman Sees Billy Meier UFO Photos<br /><br />http://theyflyblog.com/?p=4266 <br /><br />World-class skeptic goes wide-eyed with wonder!<br /><br />There are a few scientifically minded skeptics out there, one is Ray and the other just facilitated my two university presentations at NAU. <br /><br />It was only a matter of time. But just watch how silent the rest of them will be. Perhaps that's a sing of...some wisdom on their part.Michael Hornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11924328600909800227noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-78433816204394135562017-01-08T13:23:26.663-08:002017-01-08T13:23:26.663-08:00I did notice this paragraph:: "It was confirm...I did notice this paragraph:: "It was confirmed that no space debris entered the atmosphere on that date in that location, and in any case, such an object would have fallen rapidly and not flown horizontally. Two independent experts on explosives told CEFAA staff that in such a scenario, the rounded vehicle would explode in the air due to the high internal pressure, and that the gas would catch fire in a flash. And any such re-entries would have been communicated to the Chilean government so that aircraft can be warned, as is the protocol." This paragraph is nonsense. The most that could be confirmed is that no object was predicted to reenter along a path thousands of miles long that crossed the region that the target was thought to be in -- nobody can predict a location where a low Earth orbit reentry will actually occur nor does the US DoD normally disclose what its highly classified space-based IR cameras observe. Reentering satellites do NOT "fall rapidly", during their fireball phase they are very close to horizontal, descending at a shallow angle. Also, "experts on explosives" in Chile know nothing about the thermal environment of hypersonic reentry nor about what spacecraft would or wouldn't do under such conditions. And there is no protocol to warn governments about satellite reentries to allow air traffic to be warned off -- that entire sentence is imaginary, since nobody can predict WHICH governments a demising satellite will burn up over..jim oberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14004535789129589007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-13494221918982120482017-01-08T12:41:29.214-08:002017-01-08T12:41:29.214-08:00I am of the opinion that CEFAA cannot be trusted i...I am of the opinion that CEFAA cannot be trusted in anything they do with UFOs and UAPs. They are too biased for their own good because they HAVE to justify why they exist. If they debunk these sightings, they will demonstrate they are no threat and, as a result, jeopardize their very existence as a government body. Why pay for something that demonstrates that UAPs are NOT a threat? As a result, the "scientists" will be out of a job and the General will be in a dead end position with no hope of future promotion(as if he had any in the first place). This is why they ignore data/information that indicates the object might be explained. Meanwhile, Kean is giving them free publicity world-wide. She does not even question what they tell her. Her response is telling. She trusts CEFAA more than the actual data that is available. Tim Printyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06115389684481839803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8104600450225406597.post-72531135463753662952017-01-08T12:06:21.736-08:002017-01-08T12:06:21.736-08:00Amused to read there *was* air traffic in the regi...Amused to read there *was* air traffic in the region and in the right location ... when other sources said there wasn't! Robert Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09580575200490204164noreply@blogger.com