Finding Skeptic Con-Man in the Epstein Files, Part 2.

 

(Continued from Part 1)

Finding Skeptic Con-Man in the Epstein Files, Part 2.

Seckel asks Epstein for a "secured credit" loan of $8 million (!). Epstein seems to be willing to offer 6 million.

To: Al seckel
From: Jeevacation@gmail.com
Sent: Tue 12/7/2010 6:52:54 PM
Subject: Re: Question
What collateral is the issue
Sorry for all the typos .Sent from my iPhonc

On Dec 7, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Al seckel vrotc:
Can we make it 8 million in secured credit? Just easier. What would be
your loan rate?

From: Jeevacation  To: Al seckel a Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 10:38:26 AM Subject: Re: Question 6 million Sorry for all the typos .Sent from my iPhone 

On Dcc 7, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Al seckel wrote: Serious question for an opportunity: For a 3.5 mil loan for one year... How much actual and real secured collateral would you need (amount of value)? What would be your loan rate? Is this possible? This is actually a real question. Appreciatively, Al

What is the context of this unusual negotiation?
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          From: Jeffrey Epstein <"jeevacation@gmail.com>

To: Al seckel < >
Sent: Tue, June 15, 2010 8:37:08 PM
Subject: Re: sunday guests
always
On The, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Al seckel <
Sean Carroll, Caltech physicist
http://en.wikipedia.orgiwiki/Sean M. Carroll
http://mposterousuniverse.com/self.html
> wrote:
Joe Kirchvink, Caltech geology professor, friend since 1982. fun, smart, wacky.
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/%7Ejkirschvink/
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/%7Ejkirschvink/PEbio I .htm 

On Apr 17, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Al seckel wrote:
Jeff,
Good to talk to you this morning on this subject, as it is one I am entirely comfortable
with. ;-)
The list I sent you yesterday has the criteria of thinkers, out of the box. These are amongst
the very brightest people that I know, where I enjoy listening to them, and they
say insightful things along with a deep understanding of the subject matter.
Intellectual judgment along with intellectual ability. The two don't always go
hand-in-hand. This is also a list of people who have a certain type of intelligence,
but may not necessarily have social intelligence, i.e, they are a bit awkward.
Jay is incredibly skilled socially compared to some of the people on this list. Just fyi. I
personally am not bothered by social awkwardness, but this is your thing, and
you would like a good mix, and that is understandable. Criteria will just be
different then.
You brought up Jay. This is a good example. Jay does listen, and then tends to offer up his
own views. I very much enjoy interacting with Jay, and he is a close friend, and
although I may not always agree with him, he does always offer up ideas that are
interesting and worth thinking about. That's why I put him on the list. He has a
certain way he maps the world and he is also very well read and informed. This is
not an argument about Jay, just why I put him on the list. I would also put
Nathan in the same category as Jay. Doesn't listen much, pontificates, don't
always agree with what he says, but he tends to say things that are provocative
and interesting. He has an interesting way of mapping the world too, and is well
read and informed. I enjoy bantering with both of them, and count them as real
friends that I have known and hung out with for many years.
Some of the names listed are titans of intellectual ego. Steven Wolfram being amongst the
worst of them. Others are very shy and socially and fashion awkward, but are
amongst the very brightest and informed that I know, and will run intellectual
circles around some of the names on this list.
I very much like the idea of your asking people on this list to contribute names of the ten
"brightest" people that they know. This list would provide an excellent set of
references.
Please note, that although I have a diversity of thinkers, I have distinctly avoided people
who map the world in a magical way, and would encourage us to avoid "magical
thinkers.

From: Jeevacation <jeevacationafromailicom>
To: Al seckel
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 5:16:16 AM
Subject: Re: Re:
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 16, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Al secke otc:
Anyone you don't know on an immediate list, ask me or google
them. All are good friends of mine for years, but these very high end
circles travel together, so you should be very familiar with almost all
of them. And, a few that you don't know, are off the charts, and in
some respects smarter than the ones that are familiar... ;-) They just
didn't seek the limelight. I have marked these people with an
asterisk. Not everyone on this list is a scientist.
There is no order to this list (this is a cross-section off the top of my head). I can
think of more names if I put my mind to it, but lets start here:
I am happy to discuss anyone here
Nathan Mhyrvoid  *Catherine Mohr  *Jay Walker
Christof Koch  *Terry Sejnowski  Danny Hillis
*Bran Ferren  Vilamur Ramachandran  Lisa Randall
Frances Arnold  Jesse Dylan  Larry Page Elon Musk
Stephen Wolfram  Steve Juvertson  *Pablo Ho
Jaron Lanier  Craig Venter  paul Kirkaas  Yossi Vardi
*Eric Mjolsness  *Mike Douglas  Dean Kamen
*Shelly Glashow  *Derrick Ashong  James Cameron
*Ronald Crowley  *Jeffrey Lehman  Christine Maxwell
*Brock Pierce  *Rich Roberts  *Lee Stein  *Gerry Sussman
*John Conway  Dan Dubno (just because he is very interesting)

 From: Jeffrey Epstein < jeevacation@gmail.com>To: Al seckel

Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:56:34 PM
Subject: Re:
of course
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Al seckel wrote:
Ah, you have actually asked my specialty. Seriously. Ok, different
disciplines and business too?
From: Jeffrey it m>
To: Al seckel
Sent: Thu y„ : : PM
Subject
could you give me a list of who you think would enjoy a get together in florida„
smart , out of the box types

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Wow, look at this...Epstein is suing two individuals - SCOTT ROTHSTEIN and BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, and goes to great lengths to prevent Al Seckel from giving a deposition on the case! 
(Edwards is an author who wrote Relentless Pursuit: My Fight for the Victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and several other books like this.)

Apparently Edwards has subpoenaed Seckel to give a deposition, and Epstein is desperately fighting against this! What is Epstein afraid that Seckel will say in a deposition, to file pages and pages of high-priced lawyers' citations and arguments to prevent Seckel's deposition from taking place????

PLAINTIFF'S MOTION TO OUASH SUBPOENA AND FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER TO PREVENT DEPOSITION OF ALFRED SECKEL 
Plaintiff Jeffrey Epstein moves the Court, pursuant to Rule 1.280 and Rule 1.410, Florida Rules of Civil Procedure, for entry of a protective order and an order quashing a subpoena commanding non-party Alfred Seckel to appear for deposition in Los Angeles, California on May 23, 2011, which subpoena Defendant Bradley J. Edwards ("Edwards") has noticed over the Plaintiffs objection. The grounds for this Motion are: 1. On or about April 7, 2011, counsel to Edwards noticed the deposition of Mr. Seckel, despite the fact that counsel to Edwards was advised by Plaintiffs counsel that Mr. Seckel has no knowledge of any issue in this case and is barely known to the Plaintiff at all. A copy of the Notice and Subpoena is attached as Exhibit A. 
2. The Plaintiff seeks an order quashing the subpoena and entry of a protective order to prevent the taking of this deposition indefinitely because Mr. Seckel has no relevant information about this case and to allow the deposition would effectively condone harassment

 What follows are a half-dozen pages of legalese. This is beyond weird!!

  https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA01103276.pdf