Boyd Bushman of Tucson, Arizona said he was a retired Senior Scientist for Lockheed Martin, whose career spanned over forty years. (However, his alleged connection with Lockheed Martin has never been demonstrated.). Shortly before he passed away on August 7, 2014, he made what is being called a 'deathbed confession' relating his alleged experiences with Area 51, UFOs, aliens and anti-gravity.
The video of Bushman's UFO claims had
been played well over 1 million times on YouTube, before it was removed because of copyright infringement claims by one "Chris Mooney." (Not the same Chris Mooney who writes about conservatives' supposed "War on Science," yet ignores the liberals' War on Science - anti-GMO, anti-vaccines, etc.) We don't know who this Mooney is. The 32-minute video turned up a few other places on YouTube, but was also removed. You can see part of his video here.
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| Boyd Bushman with one of his alien photos |
The website of the
famous late-night paranormal talkmeister, Art Bell, proclaimed "Dying Senior Scientist Reveals Insider Truth About Area 51, Aliens, UFO’s and Anti-Gravity." Bushman's principal claims, as summarized by Youtube commenter Nuno Reis, are:
some UFOs and Aliens are stationed at the base.
He explains that from space there is a special flight path to Area 51.
With their advanced technology they can travel much faster than light. The aliens who control these ships come from a planet 68 light years from Earth. [and they make the journey of 68 light years in about 45 minutes!!]
The aliens who are working at the base are about 1.5 meters long and up to 230 years old.
They have five fingers, which are 30 percent longer than ours, and five toes, which stuck together.
They have three ribs on each side and three vertebral columns.
The aliens communicate through telepathy.
Finally Bushman reveals that Area 51 is working together with the Russians and the Chinese and their research is mainly focused to anti-gravity.
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| Another of Bushman's alleged alien photos |
Bushman
also claims that in 1947 a U.S. Air Force pilot shot down a flying
saucer over New Mexico, killing several aliens. The military, of course,
recovered the craft.
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| Bushman's "alien spirit" photo |
Most interesting are all the photos, supposedly of UFOs and aliens that he claims his friend took at Area 51, using a camera he provided. In fact, Bushman claimed that his camera was given to the aliens, who obligingly took photos out the window during a UFO trip, then returned his camera (although it's doubtful that the aliens, traveling so much faster than light, could actually see anything). Weirdest of all is a "spirit photo" that supposedly shows the ghost of an alien that died.
However, as soon as Bushman's video was posted on the popular UFO site The Black Vault, others began submitting photos and even a video of seemingly-identical aliens, albeit plastic ones.
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| YouTube commenter Eric Oulette provides this photo of a toy alien looking very much like Bushman's. |
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| Another reader submitted this photo of a toy alien purchased at the K-Mart. |
YouTube user John Hutchison (JonnOfMars) posted this video showing a toy alien he purchased several years back. Hutchison was involved with some of Bushman's earlier videos, so this "coincidence" cries out for explanation.
However, not everyone was willing to accept that Bushman's Close Encounter was of the Plastic Kind. Perhaps the plastic aliens are accurate representations of the real ones? Some have even suggested that the toy alien could be intended as a step toward 'disclosure' of real aliens: "Who knows how and to whom these things are revealed?"
However, not everyone was willing to accept that Bushman's Close Encounter was of the Plastic Kind. Perhaps the plastic aliens are accurate representations of the real ones? Some have even suggested that the toy alien could be intended as a step toward 'disclosure' of real aliens: "Who knows how and to whom these things are revealed?"
Bushman's involvement with Lockheed Martin has, of course, again raised the old canard that Ben Rich, former director of the Lockheed Skunk Works (developers of highly-classified secret aircraft) supposedly said in at least one of his lectures that "We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do." This quote, however, has never been authenticated.
Researcher Curt Collins goes into such claims in detail in two postings on his Blog Blue Blurry Lines (First. Second). Aviation historian Peter Merlin has the full story in his account in Tim Printy's Sunlite E-zine (Vol 5 nr. 6, p. 17) In brief, it seems that Rich liked to make jokes about ETs in his lectures to entertain his audience, such as "The Skunk Works has been assigned the task of getting E.T. back home." Anyone taking such comments seriously has completely misunderstood their context.
(Revised Nov. 10, 2014)
After viewing the photos purportedly taken by him, I've come to the conclusion he must have used the worst-quality camera he could find. Actually, most people who photograph UFOs & paranormal phenomena seem to use the same type of crappy camera.
ReplyDeleteIt's an updated version of the camera used to attempt to photograph Mokele-Mbembe. That one never worked at all.
ReplyDeleteAren't we past the point where anecdotes and pictures will carry weight? The endless parade of "reliable" witnesses from supposedly respectable and sober positions in society only underscore the notion that anyone can be wrong.
Pictures and videos in this era are nice, but not especially meaningful. Given the technology available for photo manipulation, etc., everything has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Aliens are like tales of Atlantis. They are suffused with an aura of mystery. The unknown is among the most alluring things to our species, and the realization that we'll never "solve" these mysteries only enhances their appeal.
He claimed to know Bob Lazar, though Bob had this to say when asked if he knew Boyd Bushman:
ReplyDeleteNo, I’ve never heard of him.
There were very few people who worked at S4, just a little over 20.
We all knew the names on the list – he was not one of them.
- Bob
Though put as much stock into that as you will... this is according to an article on OpenMinds.tv that references a pretty dubious "polygraph test" (read: just a transcript) as well as a message from Bob Lazar.
http://www.openminds.tv/lockheed-martin-scientist-says-really-aliens-ufos-area-51/30767
The doll thing is pretty funny. I've heard waaaaay too many opinions that K-Mart is selling a doll based on the likeness of an actual alien body, rather than the more simpler explanation... Y'know... that it is just a hoax.
Question 23 of the supposed polygraph examination mentions a “family electronics business.”
DeleteLooking up Bushman Electronics, we find “Bushman Electronics, Inc.” incorporated July 13, 1992 at 3685 Enochs St., Santa Clara, CA 95051. Status: Dissolved Sept 30, 1993 (just a little more than a year later).
I don’t know if this has anything to do with Boyd Bushman. Google Street View shows this to be in an area of small businesses, in the heart of Silicon Valley. I’m familiar with this area, I used to work nearby. Also, it is just a short drive from Lockheed Martin in Sunnyvale (which has nothing to do with the Skunk Works, or “Area 51″).
http://www.wysk.com/index/california/santa-clara/vf9muxx/bushman-electronics-inc/profile
A few comments on Boyd Bushman's claims:
ReplyDeleteAREA 51 ALIENS:
Buzz Lightyear is stationed at Area 51 and keeps the Kmart aliens in line.
Also, the aliens graciously attend the Area 51's Halloween Party. You cannot tell them apart from the plastic alien decorations.
SPECIAL FLIGHT:
No secret here, these special flights can found online at cheaptickets.com/cheap-ufo-flights but beware of hidden fees like paying for gravity and WI-FI.
FASTER THAN LIGHT:
How fast is faster than light? They're so fast they arrive at Earth BEFORE they leave, which reduces jet lag.
ALIEN AGE:
One alien recently turned 231 years old (Happy Birthday!). He can legally drink now and left for Vegas and never came back.
Rumor as it he’s working at the National Atomic Museum as a docent (Area 51 Exhibit).
30% LONGER:
I wonder if anything else is "30 percent longer". Judging by the alien photo I don't think so. How do they reproduce? Never mind, I don’t want to know.
THREE SPINES:
This is all wrong. The aliens are supposed to have three eyes, or three legs, or three heads, or three boobs. Anything but 3 spines. Who needs 3 times the lower back pain?
TELEPATHY:
They also communicate by an advanced ”Pull-String" technology connected to their backs. Activate the technology and these aliens will actually speak, but only limited to:
"Howdy Earthling! Spare some change?”
"Hello my name is GEICO, 15 minutes can save you 15% on UFO insurance."
"The Great Pumpkin is REAL. It was shot down by Chuck Yeager in '47."
"Wanna know a secret?...Boyd Bushman...he's craa-zzy!"
“I’m on sale at Target.com for $19.95."
ANTI-GRAVITY RESEARCH:
The real reason anti-gravity progress has been lagging is because the Russian/Chinese researchers are always hanging out at Las Vegas strip clubs.
How about images published on NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory website? Would these be deemed credible?
ReplyDeletehttp://cognizantnationhq.weebly.com/blog/alien-gargoyle-found-on-mars
peace
peterxdunn
Credible ONLY as to PAREIDOLIA, or the human propensity to see faces in almost anything, from burnt tortillas, to clouds, to rock surfaces from a digital image transmitted from millions of miles away. Pareidolia is scientifically PROVEN to originate from the fusiform gyrus region of the brain. Skepticism is good, but delusion is not...
DeleteThis is an EXCELLENT article discussing your misplaced belief in the "graven image" gargoyle face you believe you see: http://io9.com/5953993/what-makes-us-see-jesus-in-a-taco-or-a-human-face-on-mars
DeletePlease X plain why six cosmonauts would fabricate a story of seeing angel like creatures outside their capsule. What do they have to gain but more importantly what do they have to lose.
DeleteWhy can't these people with so-called 'deathbed confessions' keep them until the hereafter? They will then get a more receptive audience, possibly.
ReplyDeleteTrouble is, Chris, this guy had been at it since at least 1997, my cursory pokings-about on the dread Internet reveal. Maybe at the time he thought he had a short life expectancy. However, he wasn't without a sense of humour (see
Deletewww.owenslivingstonmortuary.com/sitemaker/sites/OwensL1/obit.cgi?page=stories&user_id=1372493)
so it may be reasonable to speculate that he just wanted to stir things up a bit, then (50th anniversary of everything) as now. And why not. He didn't make it into the Lear/Doty/Cooper league, but at least he tried. Maybe he was inspired by the legendry around Ben Rich. Actually I'm surprised that more genuine one-time Skunk Works/AFOSI/CIA/BLAH workers haven't tried this kind of thing, just for laughs, and to see who took the bait.
It's interesting, a propos these deathbed whistleblowers, to notice who does make it into the canon & who doesn't. The US UFO Magazine, lo these many years ago, ran a 'deathbed' story purporting to come from Einstein's secretary. The sage was, according to this, invited in July 1947 to Roswell or Fort Worth or wherever to view the little spacemen's cadavers. I haven't seen this repeated (but then I haven't seen everything—I've seen too much), tho' at the time I expected to. So it goes.
mwah, &c
Peter B
The doll's manufacturer, date of manufacturer and where the doll was sold for retail needs to be made known... otherwise it is hearsay and not substantial support to refute Boyd's claims.
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding or fishing because that's some kind of "logic" there, Ed. Pictures of a plastic "alien"--known to be sold at Walmart--presented as real only increase the laugh factor of this dead nutball's utterly ridiculous claims. "Quintumnia" indeed, otherwise he's repeating the same old Area 51 BS.
DeleteHe could have been big hit at the Giant Rock--SIXTY YEARS AGO! That's about the level of this forgettable charlatan's act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_Bushman
"known to be sold at Walmart"
DeleteWhere is the proof to substantiate that claim?
Please provide that information and I will concede the argument.
The doll in question was a Halloween prop sold in the late 1990's at local retailers like Wal-Mart and K-mart. It is about 3 feet tall, and although not many people photographed it (and then put those photos on the 'Net), there are SEVERAL photos displaying it.
Deletehttp://www.grdkingdom.com/2014/11/230.html
https://cbskncifm.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/roswell.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/34ycrcw.jpg
http://livedoor.4.blogimg.jp/karapaia_zaeega/imgs/4/b/4be0e250.jpg
http://trowbridgeplanetearth.com/ALI/graphics/GMnLAlli1.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/30/1414668346016_wps_7_Alien_toy_PNG.jpg
k31.kn3.net/taringa/2/6/0/3/6/8/72/-ufo-/617.jpg
While an actual mfgr. name or item number is not available, the counterpoint images, from various times and places, visually substantiate the claim of the item being publicly available in mass quantities.
Three sources have presented evidence that the phony "alien" photos are of a plastic Halloween decoration sold at Walmart and/or Kmart about 1997.
DeletePlease share the 'evidence' as to who the manufacturer was. We are all dying to find out.
DeleteFantastic explanation Zoam.
ReplyDeleteCould you give us official website with ordering form for the doll in question? I would like to order the doll in question just for fun. Unfortunately I was not been been able to locate site with ordering sample so maybe you can help me? Thanks so much for superior knowledge in this area and for showing us the light,
Biff
Zoam he say: "Pictures of a plastic "alien"...presented as real only increase the laugh factor of this dead nutball's utterly ridiculous claims."
ReplyDeleteGarn, Zoam, you're not laughing. But I wager Bushman was joking. Maybe even hoped to wind up chaps like you, too (which he did rather well).
You may have noticed that he was a denizen of Snowflake, AZ, in his youth, which may be a clue as to where he got the idea for his comedy routine.
Tarantara
Peter B
That's Travis Walton country, for those who are not familiar with "Snowflake" and "Show Low," Arizona.
DeleteThis obituary from a local Arizona newspaper pretty well removes all doubt that A) this clown is the "real Bushman," and B) his claims about his careerare on the level.
http://www.azjournal.com/2014/08/12/boyd-bushman/
Peter; If you really believe this buffoon was joking or that his laughable claims and horribly inept presentation were effective in any way, you're mistaken.
DeleteRobert; I have doubts about his career claims. The AZ Journal obit repeats the Find-A-Grave entry, and I think it's safe to assume that info--Boyd's cultivated personal myth--was provided by his family, not any factual research.
DeleteAnd I doubt any real aerospace scientist (Bushman had a BS) would habitually introduce himself to everyone he met as a "Senior Scientist." He sounds like a typical kook.
Then there are those patents of his: More kookery I bet. Any crackpot can file a patent and attribute an association with some legitimate concern, I think.
I could be wrong. But it does make a lot more sense than a transformation from real aerospace scientist to ridiculously inept "UFO" showman: He had always been a kooky fraud.
And to whomever shared a bunch of links with pictures of people parading with alien dolls... thanks for the 'evidence' that there was more than one doll made to look like the genuine article.
DeleteWithout an actual manufacturer with dates of production and retail outlets carrying such consumer items, we simply have dolls which were handed out to employees.
Depending on your connection, put this video on HD and check out the detail in the Boyd images.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkX83OAOuTo
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ReplyDeletePeople have been posting about ebay item #301330309572. Apparently, someone had the doll and was selling it on ebay. It has been posted various places that the doll was made by Halloween FX, and was available at Kmart and Walmart in 1997. I'd think it would be fairly easy to just call them and ask, although they may find it extremely humorous that someone thinks their latex prop is real. You can even purchase the stuff to make your own props from them, so it's likely there are tons of "aliens" out there with variations.
ReplyDeleteIt should also be known that the wiki page on Bushman could be up for deletion because a lot of the information can't be verified.
ReplyDeleteIt should be honestly known that the wiki page is correct with accurate citations and speaks to facts, not fictions. The doll theory is a fiction. There is no citation to support the opinion of the newspapers that what Boyd showed were pictures of dolls and not the genuine article.
DeleteThere is NO such company by the name "Halloween FX" nor no known date of manufacturer for such a consumer product that was available on the open retail market. No Such Evidence.
It would be nice, for all of these people having such dolls. to simply take a picture of the "made in _____" and perhaps even a stamp of the company on their particular doll.
We can forward the narrative and the doubt all we want, but why not live by the truth and provide factual evidence to defeat Boyd's claims? It shouldn't be that hard if in fact he was lying or fooled.
It would have also been nice to at least seen a screen shot of whomever was selling an alien doll on ebay... but I wonder how detailed any of these dolls are to the images Boyd shared?
Again, why don 't you just call Halloween FX.
DeleteHonestly, though, if I made a halloween prop and people were thinking it was real, I'd be LMAO and I wouldn't fess up about it. Be like...noooo...we have no idea what you're talking about.
After all, Halloween FX exists for the sole purpose of scaring the crap out of people.
No such company? Factual?
DeleteAre you able to google? The wiki page says right on it that it's being reviewed and considered for deletion. The Talk page shows how and why the information is in dispute.
And here is the website for Halloween FX...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.halloweenfxprops.com%2F&ei=S8hnVL3UNY2ryASF24C4Cw&usg=AFQjCNGf5-BNxz4C_0pYtOHugSyBmnkq7Q&sig2=14_MWcfZf8zAohH8b3uoZg&bvm=bv.79142246,d.aWw
It has been like that for weeks... ever since the testimonial video went viral... you should check out the history and all the bogus information ( to refute Boyd's claims ) were stated.
DeleteOne should read the article now and see what it says... and all the citations. Boyd was the real deal.
Here is the page with "alien" in the search results... http://www.halloweenfxprops.com/search.php?search_query=alien&x=10&y=10
I do not see the alien doll in question or anything near it... there are six pages of consumer goods.
Why wasn't the website / company actually put into the news stories? Surely it was just as easy for journalists to do a search as you did, right?
Now you can contribute and enter this 'proof' onto the wiki page... let's get to the bottom of this, shall we?
So I'm guessing you're not going to bother to call.
DeleteYou wanted to know the manufacturer, and this is what people are saying who have the dolls...and there are people who obviously have the dolls, since they are able to post pics.
You wanted an item # and I gave you the ebay number someone was selling the doll under.
I've even posted the website of the company since you don't seem to have that skill of googling.
The bottom line is that the information is in dispute for a whole host of reasons, but you're still going to ignore all reason because you WANT to believe that the thing is real. Fine. Believe the thing is real. But don't be surprised when people laugh at you for it.
Incidentally, Wikipedia is not a scholarly site. You can't use info on wiki in a research paper. Considering that fact, if wiki is even disputing the info, then that should be a bit of a red flag for even the exceptionally dimwitted.
Funny story, CR100.
DeleteIn a course I was taking, the prof asked us to research some basic port numbers. One guy, who is brilliant with computers, used Wikipedia. Turns out someone was having fun that day and posted all the wrong ports. We had a good laugh until we got to the guy who decided to print them, and walked away from the printer. Needless to say, he came in with enough paper for a phone book.
Edmundo Santiago would argue that the aliens made the dolls and even put a "Made in China" stamp on them if he had to.
DeleteHe expects that an item that was being manufactured almost 20 years ago should still be in stock even if it wasn't a good seller. This one obviously wasn't.
The company in question has only six pages of consumer goods.... not a very large selection and the selections that don't sell probably get replaced by something else before long.
You're picking at straws, Edmund-O.
Here is a google of their phone number:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=608%29+833-3730
Did YOU call them? What did you find out?
DeleteAnd people keep reiterating the fact that this model of doll is no longer on the site. Derp. It has been stated over and over that the doll was available in 1997 at Kmart and Walmart. So if you don't believe it came from Halloween FX, then CALL THEM. Be the one person in all of this who has actually checked it out.
ReplyDeleteDo I really need to call them?
Delete"In 2009, he started building Halloween props for his home. Family and friends loved the products so he began selling them. That led to more props and more sales and what is now Halloween FX Props, a company that supplies haunted attractions and home haunts and shares the building with Klima."
Quoted from line / paragraph 13 from top of article. So much for the 1997 date, eh?
Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/local/columnists/on-wisconsin-a-deodorant-salesman-adds-to-his-repertoire/article_dcb4e198-61d2-5122-b119-0c97465f6ac8.html#ixzz3JB7LSbZ9
If the date is correct, and the company didn't exist at that time, then obviously, they didn't make the props. That doesn't make them real aliens. People have the dolls and they are not real aliens. They are latex props.
DeleteSo people could be mistaken about the date, or the manufacturer, or both. That doesn't make the alien real, or validate any of Bushman's claims.
You could still call Halloween FX and see if it is a discontinued item of theirs that is newer than 1997. Or you could try and find out who else makes halloween props. It's obvious that some company made the things, or people wouldn't have them.
Incidentally, I have many halloween props that don't have any labeling on them after you remove the tag. It's quite possible that this is an honest mistake people are making because Halloween FX is a well known company.
The point being stated here is that the date at the Wisconsin news article is correct. It is the same date on the "who is." Not that the "who is" date matters, for a website can be made without having a company or a company can be in existence prior... but the news article is following the information given by the owner, that is fact.
DeleteAnother point is that the original news articles not only misquoted, but pushed a lie:... an opinion and hearsay, without providing a cited source. Now that we have found what they were quoting without sourcing, we see the truth that the dates were bogus. The 'news' is notorious for being wrong, but many do not question the news, but just swallow it whole like apple juice. Yet, there are some who are not easily fooled and desire facts rather than opinion, and the news is more opinionated that factual these days.
Most plastic products have dates and / or manufacturer stamps on them. They have this because it is difficult attaching a label to plastic, thus why it is burned / branded in. To believe any consumer product is without such a brand is to not realize how the commercial world works... everything has such a labeling.
Correct, this discovery doesn't make the alien 'real' as you say, but it does show the news people failed again at obfuscating the facts for all us. It doesn't prove Boyd's claim to be true yet at the same time his claim isn't defeated.... that is the further point.
Another point when you say "people would have" doesn't really mean that they were sold, that is inference.
Some have hypothesized that the dolls were fashioned after the real thing and some are in the hands of those who work for such facilities.. and in turn, to cover up things, they proliferated the internet with their bogus and repeated opinions.... this too will soon be made clear... whether or not this hypothesis is just that or the truth of this matter.
Again, you keep saying news as if people talking online equates with news media obfuscating facts. People had the dolls. They tried to remember where they got them, because it has been many years. They knew they had bought them at various stores, so they said so.
DeleteI know what some have "hypothesized." But why should anyone believe that over someone who says, hey...I have the doll right here. Here's a pic of it. And I got it at (fill in store)? Oh...and look here. This one even has a tag. What does it say? Fright Stuff.
It's beyond the scope of reason not to understand that this is just another hoax...and a bad one, at that. Someone dressed up a plastic alien and tried to pass it off as real...around halloween.
The sad part is that people actually bought into this.
In this article they tried really hard to track down the origins of the alien dolls. It's harder than you might expect. The person who was selling one on ebay said they got it at Spencer's. Apparently, they found out it was from overseas company.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAUQjhw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fparasci.net%2F2214&ei=jttnVICtM9P-yQSMk4GIAQ&bvm=bv.79142246,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNEoGnWWjhz9fbwDuYuRHh67AtT0QQ&ust=1416178426791996
That's a great looking doll... very similar but not as detailed and very different than what Boyd had shared. One only needs to focus on the head, the specific features like the nose area, the cranium, where the two halves meet, the spots on the skin, the wrinkles, the eye partially opened in one image and the eyes a bit more opened in another... I have seen quite a bit of the 'doll' images and not of them are exactly like Boyd's images, but only similar.
DeletePhotos of back head with green viens beneath head skin looks pretty much convincing. In my opinion who ever made doll regarding to it's popularity would made houndreds of them and sell them as proof that they did it, and they would take extra money, wouldn't they? But that didn't happened why?
DeleteIt had a Fright Stuff tag, but that company hadn't made the item. They were merely distributing it.
ReplyDeleteAgain...I have lots of halloween decorations that don't have any labeling once the tags are removed. Most of this stuff is made overseas and only distributed here. If Fright Stuff can't even say what company produced the thing (and they were distributing it), then it's unlikely anyone else would know.
ReplyDeleteApparently, the timeline does match up because it was an item from the late 90's, according to Fright Stuff. It's likely that Spencer's, Kmart and Walmart all sold the item during that time period. The only thing that was incorrect, and I doubt it was stated by actual news media, was the supposed manufacturer.
ReplyDeleteSomeone called the news people with bogus / misleading information... and this passed as sourced news.
DeleteThe manufacturer is wrong.
The date is wrong.
It is still a mystery who made these other dolls... or is it?
Just because someone says the year 1997 or whatever, where is the source?
What is interesting is that hearsay cannot be used to support any individual's claims ( the Boyd testimonial ), but at the same time, hearsay is used to support the claims of the establishment ( the news agencies and all the anonymous people sharing their dolls and their claims ).
I don't know that anyone called any news agency to claim that the item came from Halloween FX. I just know that people who had the doll thought it came from them. Obviously, this particular one still had a tag, and it was Fright Stuff. The timeline matches up because Fright Stuff recognized the item, said it was on the market at that time, and one of the people who bought it had one on ebay and they got it from Spencer's.
DeleteFright Stuff was distributing it, so it's not a mystery that they were here and being sold in stores at that time. It's just hard to track down which overseas company had provided the dolls to Fright Stuff. Not sure why. Maybe because it was a while back, maybe because they don't keep very good records. No idea. But it's hardly paranormal in nature.
It isn't hearsay that people have the dolls. That's a fact. It's also a fact that they were distributed here and for sale in stores here. Just that fact, coupled with how much Bushman's "alien" looks like one of these dolls, is enough to consider it a hoax.
Now whether he actually perpetrated the hoax, or just passed on bogus info because he was just gullible...I dunno. But I do know that people are finding it especially difficult to verify claims he made.
I don't think you understand the gravity of news reports churning out opinions and hearsay in place of cited sources. Read the several 'respected' news outlets and how they pushed the same unfounded points. This is how Boyd Bushman was libeled. I really don't think people understand the gravity of blindly believing things, whether it is news about aliens or news libeling a scientist who claims to have evidence of aliens.
DeleteYes, there seems to be some people who have emailed photos of their dolls... that look like Boyd's images of what he claims to be real aliens. Yet still no real manufacturer, only these people's unfounded claims and guessing at where they came from.
No, there is no fact the dolls were distributed by anyone... that is you following hearsay and opinion and trying to convince others of that opinion as if it is fact. Where is the manufacturer? Where is the proof?
Now we hear of another toy company selling a doll with a tag attached... lol, how was that tag attached to a foam / plastic doll? When you pull the tag, does it tear a hole into the foam / plastic? Is a tag on a foam doll going to now convince people? lol
So another goose chase to find an unknown overseas manufacturer and people should just forget about the whole thing, right?
Then call Fright Stuff. They're the ones who have stated that they distributed it. And yes, it had a Fright Stuff tag.
DeleteThey probably should forget about this, because it is an obvious hoax. It only makes people look silly for clinging to the idea of this being a real alien, when it is extremely obvious that it's a latex alien prop.
The fact that no one can track down the overseas distributor for a discontinued halloween item from the 90's doesn't really seem to be very mysterious to me. It's still a halloween prop, regardless of where it came from. The fact that many people still have them means that it was mass produced somewhere.
"Now we hear of another toy company selling a doll with a tag attached... lol, how was that tag attached to a foam / plastic doll? When you pull the tag, does it tear a hole into the foam / plastic? Is a tag on a foam doll going to now convince people? lol"
DeleteThis proves that you didn't even look at the pictures. The tag is on a string and then around the doll's neck.
Why should I call them? I am not the one seeking to disclaim Boyd's testimony, you are.
DeleteYes folks, just forget about all of this and go watch a movie... turn on your boob tube and continue enjoying your regularly scheduled programming.
No, you continue to support the hearsay that these images and opinions are that this particular doll is a Halloween prop... and that is a claim YOU have to PROVE in the case of Boyd Bushman.
I applaud your efforts to continue the narrative, but it doesn't work with his man.
Yet, if a lie is repeated enough.. it may become believable... so keep spreading the opinion, who knows, it may become truth... not.
I was looking at the doll, the subject matter. Anyone can put a tag around anything else... do you think I am so dull? Come on. The tag has nothing to do with it... you need to do better than this.
Delete"I don't think you understand the gravity of news reports churning out opinions and hearsay in place of cited sources. Read the several 'respected' news outlets and how they pushed the same unfounded points."
DeleteAgain...I keep telling you that the news did not report that the items came from Halloween FX. People who had the dolls said that they thought they were from Halloween FX. They said so online, not to news agencies.
The news agencies did report that the items were bought from Walmart and Kmart, and that has not been proved incorrect. In fact, we do know that Fright Stuff recognized the items, knew they were available in stores at that time, and knew that they were from an overseas manufacturer.
We also have a pic of the doll with the Fright Stuff tag still on it.
I absolutely think you are dull...but that aside...you can contact Fright Stuff on your own to figure out whether or not they actually recognized the doll as one available in stores at the time, and if they actually distributed it.
DeletePeace be with you anonymous opinionated person.
DeleteLook at the history on wiki under "rubber doll controversy" in the talk section... and then in the actual history in the article section... and see who said what... it is all right there. Some bozo detractor wrote the lie into the record... you have to do much better to fool this very dull man.
I have no reason to make phone calls on a wild goose chase.... for the evidence Boyd presents and his legitimate work as a scientist speaks volumes... while the lack of evidence to defeat his claims is also evident.
I see where people have debunked claims that news media said Halloween FX produced the item. The news reports never said that.
DeleteNo one has yet to even mention Fright Stuff and the doll with the tag on it, or the claim that they distributed the item.
Tags typically are attached in a manner dependent on the shape of the item. A doll like this would probably have a tag with adhesive on one side, wrapped around a narrow portion such as a leg or the neck, then stuck to itself, possibly with a UPC at the end. Some companies do a rather poor job of this to save on costs. Go to the plumbing section of your local hardware store for an example of this last.
DeleteInteresting use of the word hearsay. It's usually confined to legal proceedings, but we'll give it a try here. Everything Bushman said is hearsay. Ok, I guess it works.
Let me see if I have this straight. We're to believe that a man saw an alien, and his proof consists of pictures of something uncannily similar to an alien doll sold at WalMart. Now, knowing that people actually have the doll- there's even one for sale on EBay- we're arguing the nuances of demonstrable proof. The word silly comes to mind. Wait just a moment- maybe he sold the actual alien to a toy company which made a mint creating plastic copies!
Those are some interesting points JozzCoooper... I have some too:
Delete- Barbie dolls are been stamped with their country of origin... why not these dolls?
- G.I.Joe action figures, being very small, have a stamp ( imprint ) of where they were made... why not these dolls?
- Go to any 99 cent store or even those small mom and pop dollar stores and you will see EVERY SINGLE product with a country of origin stamp on them.... AND a BARCODE in adhesive tape form either on the out packaging or stuck on the actual product.
- The news places have yet to correct their error in reporting any of the dolls were sold in Walmart... this is an opinion that has been forwarded as a cited fact.
- The internet is swimming in alien doll images yet all of the people who posted these pictures cannot snap a picture of the manufacturer imprinted on those dolls or the barcode... that's too bad.
- Boyd never said in that video he spoke directly with aliens, so you are wrong with that assumption.
- The tag around the neck point is very poor because a tag like that can be attached to anything.
These are some of the same points I was making to the ChaoticRose but they failed to realize these very easy and critical points.
So, you don't believe these people have this "alien" doll? That would be extremely obtuse. Furthermore, this doesn't give you pause, even slightly? That's not a good sign.
DeleteI never assumed he spoke to anything. His claims are just that, claims.
I just looked at everything on my desk and came up with not one stamp of origin. Most have a company name, and a few don't. Let's see- in the kitchen, I have a plastic pitcher with no markings of any sort and a Dalek salt shaker with nothing on it whatsoever. Not that this should matter- who cares where the things come from if they do the job? How did that even become a point of import?
To the point of alien dolls existing: Yes it is obvious alien dolls exist.... the issue is the lack of authentication that the dolls have been sold to the general public.
DeleteTo the point of whether you wrote that Boyd spoke to aliens:
"Let me see if I have this straight. We're to believe that a man saw an alien, and his proof consists of pictures of something uncannily similar to an alien doll sold at WalMart."
I am glad you shared that you took a look around your desk and couldn't find markings of producer... I think you're lying.
It is a commercial standard for every consumer product to have such markings.
Thank you for the direct insult.
Delete"you will see EVERY SINGLE product with a country of origin stamp on them"
Not one country of origin stamp, as I said. I gather that makes the quoted statement a lie.
Just to avoid any other prevarication, my next line was- Most have a company name, and a few don't.
Once again, what's the big deal how they were made available? Somebody made the items, people acquired them, and Bushman has a picture of something remarkably similar. This shouldn't require much thought. Unless they produce a real one, it's unreasonable to think it's a picture of anything but a piece of plastic.
Look up "conjecture." Your phrasing is speculation and conjecture. Who is to say the fellow scientists or employees at Are 51 or wherever didn't proliferate the internet with their images? This idea is just as provable as is your idea that the dolls "did" sell in Walmart.
DeleteYou are insulted because every one else has products with a stamped country of origin or similar and your stuff consumer goods don't? Okay.... sorry.
What is unreasonable is to believe what news reports say when they give opinions and not cited facts... it is unreasonable and an example that people don't think.
Look up 'irony'.
Delete" Your phrasing is speculation and conjecture. Who is to say...."
That's a textbook example.
While your dictionary is open, look up equivocate and credulous.
No one would be insulted by someone making an assertion that's not merely ignorant, but incorrect as well. I just laughed as I tried to help an innocent from making the same error in the future. As for what the offending phrase was, try re-reading what you wrote. You don't have to deduce it on your own, either- use your resources.
"What is unreasonable is to believe what news reports say..."
That's a rather obvious statement, not to mention a distressing commentary on reporting.
Within the limitations of the armchair enthusiast, we are often unable to come up with truly concrete facts.
Look through the blog and there are plenty of photos and stories that offer little in the way of detail or information. Several of the contributors here are experts in one or more fields and they make the best guess with what's available.
A picture of an object with a flaming trail? If a rocket launched at the same time in the same place, that's more likely than the otherworldly explanation.
A picture of a supposed alien? Find out if there's anything else it might be. Some claims about it being a doll that sold commercially, one such doll on EBay, etc. What's the logical choice here? Which strains credibility less?
Conjecture is unavoidable. The important component is that 5-lb. computer between our ears. Some days a definitive answer is possible. Some days we just have to suss out the truth as best we can.
What if I were to say I know that what Boyd shared was 100% true? And how about if I were to say I can't tell you how I know, but I do?
DeleteIt's a rhetorical question and I won't be revealing 'how' I know, but I do know what he said was entirely true... and it is evident among the naysayers are those whose job it is to ridicule, to detract, to distract and to shun those who took him seriously. And that's just the way the world is, you cannot have the light without the darkness.
In regards to our going around in circles with fancy terms, it is simple to look at what Boyd shared in this manner:
At one time, everyone was convinced the earth was flat... and when some folks began to say it was round, they were considered crazy, heretics, idiots, etc...
At one time, everyone was convinced the sun revolved around the earth and the earth was the center of the universe. Then came along some folks who said different and they were called heretics, idiots, wicked people with an agenda and were killed, run out of town, etc.
Here are two simple examples from history of reality being revealed, things that always have been but most folks believe the lies that are fed to them or most folks are simply dull and have a hard time stretching their mind to the latest reality coming into view.
The earth has been going around the sun for longer than man has existed.... but men didn't perceive such a thing with their eyes nor their mind. The earth has been round before man existed on the earth, yet to man's eye and mind the earth being round was inconceivable.
I'm finished responding here.
Peace be with you and all who read this thread.
Don't forget also that people sometimes spiff up their halloween decorations. I've done that to some of mine. Added paint or other details to make them look better. It's entirely possible that whoever wished to dress up a storebought alien doll to look like the "real thing" might do this.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting, because you state you want one with information on it, and then when a pic of one with a tag surfaces, you do another dance and play like you need more evidence.
ReplyDeleteHow about the burden of evidence being on the one making the most outrageous claims? Where is the evidence that there was ever a real alien, hmm?
The dolls exist and they look just like the one Bushman claimed was real. This is an obvious hoax, and clinging to it doesn't do anything to raise the credibility of UFO believers.
No dancing around... just sticking to the reality that there is no proof to support the news' claims. Boyd shared his points and information... and showed images which have not been duplicated buy all the dolls images floating around... looking closely the dolls don't come close.
DeleteBoyd told the truth. I am the alien who used his camera. NANU NANU
DeleteAyy Lmao.
ReplyDeleteThere seems to be a lot of inaccurate information here. Bushman's career with Lockheed HAS been verified - if you go to the US Government Patent Office website you can see that Bushman has 27 patents under his name, all of which were filed by Lockheed, and which relate to electromagnetics and antigravity. He is the real deal - however, I don't buy his story or photos. He had spoken out about aliens and UFO's in 2007 and I think this (false) information has been fed to him intentionally just in case he spoke out again. Ben Rich's statement(s), of which he made several and not just one as portrayed, have also been verified and there is video footage of him saying these things. Don't be too quick to jump the gun when attempting to debunk UFO information.
ReplyDelete"... antigravity."
Deletehttp://www.crank.net/antigravity.html
My space ship is in for service at area 51 for its 2000 light year overhaul. Those anti grav units are always breaking down. Boyd was always sympathetic to this. We all miss him. Nanu nanu.
DeleteI can explain the Walmart doll. As I am still in litigation with them for copyright. They made these from my promotional debut on Aliens Next Top Model. I'm only glad they didn't use my bikini pose. NANU NANU
DeleteJust like a real alien. Scary! You said it's a toy alien right? What kind of plastic product is that? The Plastic Products Industry is perhaps the biggest industry in the entire world. Not only is plastic products manufacturing cheaper than most other building material, it is extremely durable and easy to make. It's difficult to find anything these days that is not made-at least partly-with plastic. It's a billion dollar industry and like everything else these days-there are advantages and disadvantages to it.
ReplyDelete1997 $150 3 foot tall Latex Foam Filled wire frame Halloween prop made overseas as "scary alien" with a black hooded robe & belt was a Spencer’s novelty & gag gift under store brand "Fright Stuff" trademark # 73717876 1988/03/21 CANCELLED 2009/08/01
ReplyDeleteSpencer's acquired Spirit Halloween, 1999