Tom DeLonge October 22 at 7:17 AM ·
@tothestarsacademy has been invited into private meetings with a particular European Government on UFOs. I am on my way this morning to discuss some very interesting cooperation opportunities with a few International partners. :) #TECHNOLOGY #DATA #DISCLOSURE
Accompanying it was a photo of an airliner taken through the window of an airport terminal. Obviously, DeLonge was flying to Europe, and he wanted it to seem all mysterious. But the "mystery" was solved on the following day when he posted, "#ROME Any Italian fans here today? I’ll be walking around enjoying the amazing history."
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Tom DeLonge does Rome |
It
turns out that DeLonge's comment "@tothestarsacademy has been invited
into private meetings with a particular European Government on UFOs" was
quite disingenuous. In fact,
TTSA's presentation was sponsored by the Italian UFO group CUN,
which has been in existence since 1967. It is a private UFO group much
like MUFON, and has no official government connections.
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Tom DeLonge (left) and Luis Elizondo (right) speak to CUN in Rome. |
Before TTSA's presentation on October 27, a panel of Italian UFOlogists spoke, talking mostly about UFO history in fairly conventional terms. We hear about Project Blue Book, the UN UFO session, Carl Jung, J. Allen Hynek, Edward Ruppelt, etc.
The whole session, almost four hours long, was recorded and posted to YouTube, unedited. (Approximately the first 30 minutes of the video are empty, waiting for the program to start.)
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One of the slides of the Italian UFOlogists, offered with the hope of 'not offending anyone'(!). It's about SETI.
The guy standing says "Our latest technological discoveries notwithstanding,
we have not yet received any
message.
It's useless, there doesn't exist any civilization except us on earth." |
Elizondo spoke first, to explain "why we are here." Unfortunately, "technical difficulties" prevented him from showing his slides, so he handed the microphone to DeLonge, to tell the story behind TTSA. DeLonge said,
"To The Stars has created a private company with a perpetual funding mechanism. We work with government partners to achieve the revolutionary change in mankind's destiny...[TTSA has] the first set of major motion pictures and television series in development... [also] a multi-year program plan to launch satellites into space with lasers.. and a robust program plan to achieve the engineering of the space-time metric, and most people people would call that 'anti-gravity'."
DeLonge did not explain exactly how, or when, these engineering miracles would be accomplished.
Elizondo finally got his slides to work, and continued with his version of UFO history.
A full transcript of TTSA's comments has been prepared by UFO Joe (thanks, Joe!).
On October 27, UFO researcher Curt Collins posted to the Facebook page for his Blog
Blue Blurry Lines that
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Elizondo claimed that this photo was "real."
(from Ray Palmer's magazine). |
The Italian UFO group CUN hosted a presentation in Rome by Tom DeLonge on the TTSA, and Luis Elizondo on AATIP. Elizondo discussed the famous 1952 Washington, DC saucer event saying:
"In the early 1950s, the United States had another very significant event over our nation’s Capitol. Once again, these objects were identified both with the naked eye and again on radar, and unlike Roswell, many people had cameras and were able to take photographs. And what you see here are real photographs, along with the story - the headline story that came out."
Elizondo's picture is from the YouTube preview image for "UFO Sightings over Washington D.C. and The White House in 1952" by FindingUFO. It's a frame from a CGI-animated version of a picture of lens flares, and an image from an EC comic book found in the files Project Blue Book.
"Photo Fakery: Washington, DC Flying Saucers 1952," goes into detail on the history of this bogus UFO photo.
Other problems with Elizondo's presentation were quickly noted:
- Elizondo presented a slide promoting the supposed UFO from STS-48, even suggesting that the Space Shuttle crew witnessed it. James Oberg has thoroughly debunked this claim, back in 1992.
- He also cited the supposed UFO from STS-80, which Oberg has also shown to be baseless.
- Elizondo showed a photo of a supposed "foo fighter" allegedly taken during World War II, which he said "was actually taken by a pilot in World War II.". It is almost certainly a hoax, its provenance is unknown. No authentic photo of a supposed "foo fighter" is known to exist.
- In Elizondo's overview of UFO history, he said, "later, in the 1940s, we had the Roswell incident. I’m not going to speculate in this room what crashed at Roswell. But those of you who are familiar with the world of intelligence, know that a military response is usually symmetrical to the incident. A crashed weather balloon does not usually merit the response of a colonel, several flat bed, military vehicles and an armed force." These claims are completely unsupported. There is no proof for the claim that "a colonel" was involved, or any military vehicles or guards.
- In response to a question about alleged "force fields" surrounding supposed UFOs, Elizondo replied: "We can. In some cases if we know what to look for, we can actually see a distortion around these craft, surrounded it. We believe it’s a result of the propulsion that’s being used. In essence, an event horizon is created. Imagine a bubble being created around the vehicle and if you are bending space time in a localized area, one can expect electromagnetic energy to behave differently inside that event horizon than outside." This is preposterous. The so-called "glowing aura" (so named in the headline of the original New York Times story about TTSA) seen in the TicTac and Gimble UFO videos is simply a processing effect of the infrared imaging circuit. This was pointed out long ago, and it is amateurish to claim otherwise.
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Elizondo's photo of supposed "foo fighters," almost certainly a hoax. |
All along one frustration has been that TTSA has released little, if any, information about the cases they are promoting. But with
this unedited two-hour-plus presentation by DeLonge and Luis Elizondo, we start to understand what is happening. Both DeLonge and Elizondo are Babes in the Woods when it comes to UFO claims. (
We knew about DeLonge's UFO foolishness for quite some time, but until now we knew relatively little about Elizondo.) Neither of them has any real understanding of the difference between credible and non-credible sources of information concerning UFOs. Neither of them seems to have any "filter" for baseless UFO claims, and neither seems to understand the prevalence of misinformation in UFOology. (Indeed,
Elizondo has previously boasted that he had purposely stayed away from reading UFO books, so as not to prejudice himself about it, meaning he knows practically nothing on the subject.) They seem to believe every UFO claim they hear. The longtime Canadian UFO researcher Chris Rutkowski posted to the Facebook group UFO Updates, "I am more concerned every day that anyone affiliated with the TTSA has limited knowledge about the subject, beyond pop culture and sensational tabloid material." Indeed.
On October 28, DeLonge posted to Facebook,
Thank you to the Italian Government for the security you provided to me and my team all week, and thank you for having your AIR FORCE Generals, UNITED NATIONS Officials, INTELLIGENCE Operatives and VATICAN representatives attend the @tothestarsacademy briefing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and the ADVANCED AERIAL THREAT IDENTIFICATION THREAT PROGRAM here in Rome, Italy. It was my pleasure to represent the United States and start the international conversation here, in such a wonderful country.
Here DeLonge sounds like a cross between Stephen Greer (claiming to need protection while presenting dramatic UFO revelations) and George Adamski (claiming to meet with VATICAN representatives). Let's hope that, assuming these distinguished persons actually were present, they realize that they've been fed a line of pure, old-fashioned amateurish UFO misinformation. They might as well be listening to Stanton Friedman. In fact, as much as it pains me to say this, I think that Friedman is more credible than DeLonge, however slightly. Friedman wouldn't fall for the Capitol Dome UFO photo, or the unsourced Foo Fighters one.
The more thorough debunking of the STS-48 zig-zagger, an explanation extensively documented and fully endorsed by the flight crew and Mission Control experts [I was in the MCC for that mission, on a different shift] is here: http://www.jamesoberg.com/99purdue-48-speech.pdf
ReplyDeleteAs for STS-80, crewman Tom Jones discusses this video on his blog and invites anybody seriously interested in discussing it to join in. 'Believers' rarely show up and never stay long.
https://skywalking1.wordpress.com/2011/04/18/did-ufos-visit-sts-80-columbia/
Another STS-80 crewman, Story Musgrave [a UFO favorite quotee for believing there's ETI 'out there' but who makes clear he's never seen any indications locally], explains why he's sure the STS-80 dots were small particles shed by the shuttle itself: http://www.jamesoberg.com/musgrave.story_interviews.pdf
and video transcript http://www.jamesoberg.com/musgrave_ramble.pdf
[note - seems temp trouble with my website]
Grazie Roberto! Eccellente!
ReplyDeleteI always look forward to your "A Skeptic at the #### UFO Congress" posts every year.
Hopefully, that's not something that only American skeptics do. Do you know of any of your Italian counterparts who might have attended and/or commented on last week's event in Rome?
That would be an interesting perspective to have on TTSA.
Elizondo has issued an update and a partial apology for the misinformation. He recently posted to TTSA's Facebook page,
ReplyDelete"Recently I provided a presentation to a small audience. While providing general background, I indicated that one particular slide contained real photographs of UAPs over Washington DC. It did not. The slide was intended to be illustrative but was presented as factual and with the help of a few individuals, I quickly realized the error. I acknowledge the misstatement and sent an immediate "mea culpa" note to my TTS Academy team and would like to share it with you."
As if that one slide were his only problem. Elizondo claimed that the 1952 Washington, DC event was witnessed and photographed by large numbers of people. Not true, there waere no civilian reports associated with it.
No to mention all of the other problems in Elizondo's talk, mentioned above.
https://www.facebook.com/TTSAcademy/?__tn__=kCH-R&eid=ARD-eMqhLx56WQ4A-GPFZp5lWYaLmACLdgmo3-_qyU19DKO4Z3NKSsuDc9-spOxIbGMN_9v2C47LxcA6&hc_ref=ARTEYuI0v69gbZdzCuLJFH9eAx5sb7KYjTNIGxkM206J-5lcD6H66M4KfsIJruBO3So&fref=nf
Sure but none of what you write disproves the existence of UFOs, UAPs, or whatever you want to label it. The pilot of the Tic Tac UAP footage gave a lengthy interview in 2017 and stated none of the video circulating on the web is legible. His specific statements were that the HD version which only he and the other 3 pilots reviewed after the incident showed detail on the UAP that none of us will ever see. He also stated it was beyond his comprehension how an object could descend from 80,000 feet to the surface of the water and then move across his nose and then be at 12,000 feet in the blink of an eye. TDL is an unwitting fool at best yet unwitting fools still do not disprove the existence of UFOs.
DeleteI suggest you copy and paste this link about the 'burden of proof', and find out which side needs to provide the evidence. I also suggest you pay attention to the 'null hypothesis' section; and then I further suggest that you read Mr. Sheaffer's superb essay on UFOs in the 1995 book Extraterristrials: Where Are They?.
Delete"Burden of Proof" is responsible for the party attempting to refute a given subject. The pilot of this sighting never claimed anything other than reporting first hand knowledge of a craft that exhibited flight characteristics unknown at the time of the sighting. I suggest you research the topic outside of Tom Delonge and not allow a mouth piece such as Tom Delonge discredit an otherwise credible experience. I also suggest you understand when the burden of proof applies. The OP in no way is able to disprove the tic tac UFO sighting. He is subjected to the exact same grainy footage the rest of us are subjected to and that footage is inconclusive of anything. The only credible information we have is that of a 20 year veteran fighter pilot who witnessed the event first hand and recounted the event with details unlike anything he's witnessed throughout his career. Some of the theories I've read regarding the craft origins are laughable at best. I find it amazingly ironic people attempt to discredit something with inconclusive data. Therefore relegating their "debunking" to nothing more than an uneducated opinion. Unless of course the OP can produce official records that show he, too, has logged 20,000 hours in fighter jets over a 20 year period.
DeleteWhich leads us down the path of 'argumentum ad authoritarium'; whilst relegating your opinions to that of 'uneducated', as I doubt that you have 20,000 hours of flight experience if that's what 'credibility' boils down to.
DeleteSo in other words, this "project" of his has run out of gullible Americans to dupe so he's taking his chances to try and get some $$ funding from Europe. I suppose France will be next on his scrounge list? Good joke, Tom. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum.
ReplyDeleteItaly is indeed "such a wonderful country". It produced two famous mathematicians in the 16th century who first solved the cubic and quartic equation. It also produced some magnificent renaissance painters at about that time. Let us also not forget the guy who discovered America. So, despite his various 'terminological inexactitudes' let us give Mr de Longe credit for something he got right.
ReplyDelete@cda: I whole-heartedly agree that Italy has given the world some of the greatest art, designs and engineering. However, with all due respect, Tom DeLonge is like a broken clock. Its also correct twice a day.
ReplyDeleteDeLonge: "... and the ADVANCED AERIAL THREAT IDENTIFICATION THREAT PROGRAM"
ReplyDeleteI assume that's a division of the Department of Redundancy Department?
i do know for a fact that Hal Puthoff has working Zero Point Energy which was derived from Alien contact. The shadow Govt does NOT want you to have it. Puthoff's lips are sealed all DeLonge can do is stuggle against the dark side aligned against him.
ReplyDeleteFYI: https://ufodigest.com/article/penetration-exposed-what-really-happened
thanks. i can be reached at
Is that for real? Or is it bad science fiction or a magnificent Poe?
DeleteUfology's like an open day at Arkham Asylum at times.
That article is literally one of the dumbest things I've ever read, I could literally hear my brain cells beg me to stop reading, right before they committed violent suicide, en masse. As per typical conspiracy claptrap, it all ties back to the great Zionist (Jewish) conspiracy. The only people who care about what shows up via WingDings are wing nuts. Let me get this straight, these advanced ETs, who can communicate telepathically, and roam the stars at will, thought their best bet to communicate important, life changing information about our future was to burn it into the side of a rocket and to telepathically communicate it to a debunked, discredited, half ass psychic? Brilliant plan!
DeleteMy two cents: All this history of deranged accounts and testimony about UFOs has never produced verifiable solid proof(i.e. physical proof for scientists to evaluate and comment about)Up until now all the so called "proof' ufologists have presented so far has been extensively and convincingly debunked!Some of them were so ashamed of their
ReplyDeletelies and fabrications,that they were withdrew in shame from their beliefs.