Sunday, August 15, 2021

The Case of the Missing Fetus, Starring Travis Walton

 In another startling development in the unraveling of the Travis Walton story,  Travis was the guest on August 7 on the Theory of Everything podcast, hosted by Curt Jaimungal, a mathematical physicist. His podcast is affiliated with that of Brian Keating, who is a Distinguished Professor of Physics at the Center for Astrophysics & Space Sciences in the Department of Physics at University of California, San Diego. While I understand and applaud a scientist's curiosity to explore the unknown, I cannot imagine why scientists like them would take someone like Travis Walton seriously. A hint to scientists dealing with claims of the 'paranormal': do a little historical investigation to learn why Nullius In Verba, "Take Nobody's Word for it," became the motto of the Royal Society of London, the world's first scientific society in the 17th Century. Words themselves count for nothing, in the absence of evidence or experiment. This is how the Royal Society was able to extricate itself from  the morass of Alchemy, Witchcraft, Demonology, Astrology, etc. that were so prevalent in their time.

Travis said pretty much the same things he always says, but some really interesting new stuff came up. At about 5:40 into the podcast,  Curt Jaimungal asked him,

Q: Do you have PTSD from it?

I think so. Yes, I was surprised at the degree to which I do. You know, having this other sighting, that we sort of alluded to earlier, coming back from a MUFON meeting in Burbank, California. Heading up the 5, this giant black triangle came, stopped right over the top of the car, turned, and headed off to the west. An incredible ability to decelerate and accelerate, it was still something that I wouldn't ever have brought up in an interview or anything like that. [Except that he just did]. Except that I was able to find out that it was seen by about fifteen other people, or at least reported by that many people by the next morning. So certainly over a highly populated area like that, there were many many more people who saw it, but just didn't know where to report it.

Now, this is very interesting. Unfortunately, Travis gives us no hint how he found out about all those other supposed witnesses, or how we can check their stories out. I would be very interested to learn that. 

I previously wrote a Blog posting titled, "Travis Walton Saw a Giant Black Triangle UFO, but Apparently forgot to mention it." Travis was briefly interviewed in a Fox News piece about UFOs on May 22, 2019. Asked whether he had had seen anything since the aliens grabbed him for five days in 1975, Travis replied,

It was February 19, 2014. A giant black triangle came over, stopped right over the top of us. Rotated 90 degrees, and shot off toward the ocean. It was quite amazing because I didn't believe anything that big could actually fly.
Actually, Travis apparently did mention this sighting a few times, but he kept it pretty low-key. One Blogger writes,
Ken Peterson is one of the other witnesses to Walton’s encounter in 1975. He has hinted at further encounters and transformative experiences following the 1975 incident too. Not to mention that Walton himself has had an additional sighting that he discusses from time to time involving a black triangle that stopped mid-flight and changed trajectory. Ironically, that event occurred as he was leaving a MUFON meeting in Burbank, CA a couple of years prior to 2015.

This sounds like the same sighting we just heard about. Doing a little research, I found out that there was indeed a meeting of the local Los Angeles chapter of MUFON in Burbank, California on Sunday evening, Feb. 23, 2014, at 7 PM. Travis' account was off by four days, but let's postulate that this is within the margin of error. This appears to be the meeting that Travis was referring to. The speaker was Stephen Bassett, whose mantra seems to be, "Disclosure is coming any day now!" Bassett's most recent email missive assures us that we are witnessing "the last weeks and months of the Truth Embargo unfold." So it won't be long now!

I cannot confirm whether or not Travis actually attended this meeting. It certainly seems odd that he would come all the way to California to attend a local MUFON chapter meeting, not to be confused with MUFON's large annual Symposium. It is especially odd that Travis would come when he was not the featured speaker, and that he would bring his pregnant girlfriend with him, not to mention his son. Even more odd is the idea that all three of them would drive all the way back to Snowflake, Arizona that same night. Google Maps tags that journey as approximately 8 hours, 40 minutes. Assuming that they left Burbank when the meeting ended around 10 PM, were they really planning to drive straight through to Snowflake, arriving about 7:40 AM, Arizona Time? If so, it would be an automobile marathon reminiscent of Mr. and Mrs. Hills' Wild Ride.

The interview continued with Curt saying to Travis,   

7:00 Q: I recall that you have had an experience with a UFO somewhere on highway I-5, and it had to do with a pregnant girlfriend at the time? Do you mind recounting that?

Yes, it's the same sighting. And yes, she was with me, and so was my son.

Q: And what happened?

Well, um, in her estimation there was missing time. You know, it seemed to take a lot longer to get home than it should have. You know, accounting for time differences and the whole thing. But, again, I've always tried to avoid reporting things I can't corroborate, everything has to be documented.

Q: Was there missing time on your part, or only she reported that to you?

Well, I agree with her. You know, with her estimations and comments about it. By itself, it doesn't constitute proof, and it's just something we find very interesting.

Q: And your son? Also had an experience in missing time? Or time dilation?

He doesn't disagree. He's just, you know, how would you know? On a long drive like that, all the way from Burbank to Snowflake, Arizona, how do you know for sure?

Q: Was there something about, your girlfriend at the time was pregnant, and then after the sighting she became not pregnant, and it was because of alien interference?

Boy, that is something that I don't really bring out that much. Because, you know, she works in a government facility, you know, has a security clearance. I really don't have her permission to talk about that, or name her, or whatever. But, yeah, she had a mark across her stomach. I went into the gynecologist's office with her. I observed on the ultrasound, that there was a placenta, a cord, and the fetus had just disappeared.

Q: Why do you think that is?

I don't know. One speculation is obviously that the baby was taken by, you know, some alien technology. Another alternative is, medically speaking, some kind of a thing where they claim that a baby can be re-absorbed. But if that were really true, you would think that would affect the cord and the placenta, too. Wouldn't it?

Q: I know that you have intuitions or feelings that these beings were being helpful toward you, given that, do you think...


Q: I'm just wondering, how is the removal of a fetus positive, unless the baby would have been born cancerous or have some other issue?

Obviously, the theory is, we conjecture, that the baby is alive somewhere, that it was taken for a more nurturing environment. With really super-super high tech I guess the woman's body is not absolutely necessary. That's the theory.

Q: How far along was she in the pregnancy?

In days, I don't know. I don't have that on the tip of my tongue.

Q: Was that within a month, or was within six months? Plus or minus a month?

It was a very large amount of development. Loose clothing, she probably could have disguised the fact that she was pregnant.
So, we are left with that astonishing account, and no further details.

Much later in the interview, Travis says,

1:31:00 I'm familiar with tools and some medical instruments. I was actually, eventually, certified, as an EMT. I took the state test on midwiffery. It was offered by the state of Arizona to bring all of the lay midwives, many of whom had been practicing under doctors for years, into an official licensing situation. So, the offer was, come in, take this test, and, it was just a spur-of-the-moment thing. I didn't plan it, I only heard about it a couple of days before the test. Went in, and I got the second-highest score out of the whole group. But, maybe it's a genetic thing, I don't know. My father was a doctor. Actually, an obstetrician.

Charlie Wiser has a Twitter thread about this. She writes, "Travis Walton is a midwife now!". 

What is the relevance of that? How did Travis' midwife skills contribute to his obtaining, and preserving, the placenta and umbilical cord of the missing fetus? That is a question for the next Podcast host to ask Travis, assuming he or she won't be grossed out by the answer.

Toward the end of the interview, some listener submitted a statement by Kelly Waldrip, who was a close friend of Travis when they were both in Middle School. It had been posted as a comment on Michael Shermer's website.  Travis did not deny that he and Kelly had been close friends in school, and also did not deny that the two of them sometimes talked about pulling off a UFO hoax. But Travis added,

1:49:00  [Kelly] has got some amazing tales, himself. He was my best friend, and it was actually his idea to put up a hot air balloon or something. But he became an FBI agent, and the only contact I've had with him was years ago, when he was describing how he was basically ducking and dodging around the planet to avoid being assassinated in connection with his previous work, his previous job. I don't know, maybe it's true. Sounds kind of wild, though. But he's definitely exaggerating anything that was said between us.

So, yes, we talked about hoaxing a UFO sighting, but it was his fault, not mine.

Meanwhile, Mike Rogers, the guy who was driving the truck when Travis supposedly ran out and was "abducted," posted on his Facebook page on August 13,

EVENTS in the last few months have changed everything between Travis and I. Suffice it to say . . . I no longer believe anything Travis says. Steve Pierce and Ken Peterson are with me on that. John Goulette is a 'maybe', and his other 2 witnesses are gone. Travis Walton is quickly loosing his support.

Mike claims that  "Travis Walton owes me a great deal of money by signed and notarized CONTRACT," i.e. his share of the proceeds from the promotion of the story. According to Celebs Money, Travis Walton's net worth is between $100,000- 1,000,000, although it's impossible to say if that is accurate. So Mike's claim sounds good, but so far he apparently hasn't even consulted a lawyer to see if he has a valid case.


  1. Travis just keeps on digging! His UFOOLogy gravy train has come to an end.

  2. I wonder if Jim Carrey is willing to make a sequel to Liar Liar?

  3. It's like an episode from Beverly Hillbillies. Is the women Audrey Hewins that Travis can't name but has no problem spewing out mumbo jumbo. Of course it could be anyone, but she was heavily involved with him at one time. I'm shaking my head as how could this man not know how far into the pregnancy his girlfriend was?

  4. It's kind of sad that only in the UFO field can jokers and fakers remain after panning out incredible stories about aliens, alien abductions, etc., etc. I'm afraid Travis will remain on the UFO stage simply because people want to believe him without considering any evidence. In any other field, Travis and his pal Rogers, would have been kicked out LONG AGO. But for some strange reason, this never happens at all, many people in the field just hands them another deceive them!

  5. "The Case of the Missing Fetus" was not one of Erle Stanley Gardner's better Perry Mason novels.

  6. Then there are those multiple lie detector tests that all involved in the original incident took. I guess they were all faked too. You either believe them or you don't. It appears this site does not.

    1. Lie detectors are notoriously lame and inadmissible in a court of law.
      Only ufoologist believe such nonsense as fact.

    2. Polygraphs do not actually detect lies, they detect physical signs of stress. You can 'pass' a polygraph test simply by lying calmly. They also require interpretation by a trained operator, and the training of the operator who gave those polygraphs has been questioned.

      Interesting point about belief though... the polygraphs were supposed to 'prove' something, but here you say it's a matter of 'belief'. In that case, why make a big deal out of polygraph results either way? You can just 'believe' what you want.

    3. I've nothing more to add to Brendan's excellent comments, except to say that polygraphs are pseudoscience, and Mr. Walton's failure to pass one a few years ago is no more reliable in determining the truth than the passes from the initial tests. What the Saucer Nuts do need is Carl Sagan's "extraordinary evidence"; and, so far, they don't even have the 'ordinary'.

    4. Excuse . . . . me. Polygraph tests. Yes I understand all of that but with those multiple tests you mean they all lied calmly? The deal with the polygraph tests were that for the most part they all passed and with different operators. You can call it pseudoscience or whatever you want but it still remains that they had multiple sessions and all passed with a few exceptions. That to me suggests more significance than not. All of the proposed scenarios that were trying to debunk the claims have not proved any better than the polygraph tests. So you are left with, do you believe them or not. This article did not have to go through all the diatribe as it really added nothing to the original claim. All it had to say was I do not believe them or there claim(s).

    5. Besides the dubious lie detector tests, was there any other EVIDENCE collected? Of course not, just the hearsay of Rogers, a fruit cake.

    6. @nsurround

      Polygraphs are pseudoscience. But you seem unaware that Walton failed a polygraph test and APRO tried to cover it up. And he later failed one on TV.

  7. The fact that multiple people can 'pass' a test while claiming an encounter with highly-advanced aliens (with absolutely no physical proof whatsoever, not even the disposeable tip from a Venusian Butt Probe-o-Tron) just suggests to me that it should never have been used to determine guilt or innocence in much more murky legal cases.

  8. How to beat a polygraph test:

    How to fool a Saucer Nut: Just state, entirely without evidence, the most outlandish tale that comes to mind. Any nonsense will do; you can always add more nonsense forty-six years later.

  9. I find it interesting Mike Rogers was/ into crop circles and even wanted to hoax one, then saw one made infront of his eyes so he claimed. So if he could plot to hoax a circle then it's not a far stretch to think he could of hoaxed with Walton. What about the wife is she in on it too? All I see is money grabber's. The fetus story comes years later and let's face it , the kinds of people Walton hangs around with I'm not entirely surprised with his thinking, of course it's an added bonus for abductees who claim similar tales.


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